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Monday Morning Centre Back: Trying to Make Sense of the Brian Ching Situation

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I'm opening this with the following statement:

This is an editorial piece containing my opinions about the Brian Ching situation. I do not have factual evidence to support my points, I'm simply making educated assumptions based on the information we've actually seen. That said, I'm sure I'll get some reactions from people who don't make it past the headline before jumping to a conclusion. Oh well.

Jesse Marsch, the coach, is a bit of an asshole.

I've never met the man personally, but I have an extremely low opinion of him. Before you lose your mind about this statement, realize that this is not the reaction of a bitter Dynamo fan about the fact that the Montreal Impact selected Brian Ching in last week's expansion draft. Sure I'm angry about the pick, but not for the simple reason that the Dynamo have lost the face of their franchise. I'm annoyed that Jesse Marsch is using a great guy like Ching as leverage in an attempt to get a player he has no chance of getting.

According to the Sporting News, Marsch wants defender Andre Hainault and draft picks for Brian Ching...whatever Jesse. That's not only ridiculous, it's borderline insane. We love Brian Ching but even the most orange blooded Dynamo fan should realize that trading one of our best defenders AND draft picks for a guy that is at the end of his career is a bad business decision. So the fact that Marsch is asking for that is completely absurd.

We of course do not know if Marsch and the Impact approached the Dynamo before the draft and inquired about what it would take to get Hainault. If they did, then the pick of Ching is nothing more than a spiteful move that belongs on an elementary school playground. If there was no approach, then Marsch was simply taking Ching as leverage in hopes of forcing the Dynamo in to trading away whatever Montreal wanted to get back their team captain. If that's the case, Marsch is sadly mistaken and has likely done nothing more than bring Brian Ching's career to an unceremonious conclusion.

All that said, let me quickly point out that if you are going to be upset with Marsch and the Impact, you need to be just as upset with the Dynamo front office for exposing Ching in the first place. You can't just rail against Montreal and their staff and pretend that our own front office team isn't culpable in this. So let me suggest that maybe we should calm down about Montreal and remember that Dominic Kinnear was directly involved in the decision making process that created the Dynamo's unprotected list. Why? Take a second and ask yourself what lesson did we just re-learn during the 2011 MLS Cup playoffs? Say it with me...In Dom we trust.

You can't blame the Dynamo for not protecting a 33-year old injury prone forward with a guaranteed contract of close to $500,000. On the other hand, it's hard to defend the decision to risk the face of the franchise ahead of the new stadium opening in the spring. It really feels like a no-win situation for them considering the love Dynamo fans have for Ching.

The question really will come down to if the public relations hit they are taking can be overturned with the roster additions they can make thanks to the significant amount of cap space they now have at their disposal. Let's be honest here, having Ching's guaranteed contract off the books isn't the worst thing that could happen to a team that needs depth in the attack and an additional creative midfield player to keep the offense from being so dependent on Brad Davis. Unfortunately, many people won't accept that if the cost is a player of the stature of Brian Ching and I sympathize. Still, this move may end up making sense in the long run.

Something tells me this story is far from complete and while we would all love to see Ching helping to open the new stadium in May, this move may ultimately lead to a better overall team in 2012.

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"Andre Hainault and draft picks for Brian Ching"

I hope Canetti and Dom call up Jesse Marsch, simultaneously laugh hysterically, then hang up. Does he really think were going to give up that much for Ching. I love Ching and he has been great for the franchise and will forever be the face in my opinion, but honestly giving a piece of our back line for an almost retired forward who can’t play on turf and will be injured for a few games at least, is absurd.

by bondmonkee on Nov 28, 2011 10:52 AM CST reply actions  

Can somebody explain something to me?

If the L’Impact don’t have to sign him, and let’s say they don’t (b/c none of their hopeful trades worked) what happens then?

by DynaNole on Nov 28, 2011 11:05 AM CST reply actions  

He is still under contract for the 2012 season

If he elects to have the season-ending knee surgery, then they will pay his contract and he will not play for the team. Essentially, they will be stuck with a very expensive showpiece.

-- "...I was sick, napping, and then woke up and came to the computer to read a note from the Gingered Angel of Doom..." Martek - Dynamo Theory Blog

by Fuzion on Nov 28, 2011 9:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Ching's contract is guaranteed for next season

He reached an incentive for starts, or games played, in the MLS Cup final that guaranteed the final year of his deal. That probably plaid a part in leaving him unprotected.

"If my hips had pockets, I wouldn't wear pants at all." @NotBurtReynolds

by papabear on Nov 30, 2011 8:54 AM CST up reply actions  

I just don't get...

…why Dynamo fans are ticked off at the Impact and Marsch.

I’m a Sounders fan. My team was initially built via an expansion draft. Yeah, it would be nice if a team wasn’t built that way, but it’s MLS.

Moreover, we’ve lost multiple players the last couple of years in the draft. We love James Riley. We loved Seba LeToux.

But we didn’t get mad at the teams that picked them! Why would you get mad at someone for saying “hey, this guy is good, I want him on my team and he’s available”?

When Ching said he’d retire if drafted, one of two situations was in effect. Either:

A) Dynamo management knew he was going to say that and it played into their decision to leave him of the protected list, or

B) Dynamo management didn’t know he would say that, or did know but it didn’t make any difference to them because they didn’t want to protect him.

If you’re a Dynamo fan, either way you should be pissy with your own FO, not at the Impact for drafting Ching.

If it’s (A), then the Dynamo were trying to get away with protecting 12 guys and were counting on Ching’s declaration to scare off the Impact. You should be mad at Dynamo.

If it’s (B), then the Dynamo staff just didn’t think Ching was worth protecting. (Which seems to be the argument presented in this article- that somehow the Impact are jerks for asking for too much for Ching.) Thus, you shouldn’t be upset that he’s gone.

In either case, and now that the Impact are talking trade, here’s the reality: The Impact are just trying to make the best team they can. That’s their job. If you have an emotional tie to Ching, well, I feel for you, but that doesn’t mean you should be mad at the Impact or Marsch.

If Ching chooses to opt out of his contract and retire, that’s his call. Montreal had to weigh that possibility against whoever was the next-best guy available to them (by their evaluations). Either way, it doesn’t make Montreal villains; it just means they thought Ching was worth it.

Ultimately, it’s Houston’s FO that created this situation.

by Blue Eyed Buddhist on Nov 28, 2011 11:27 AM CST via iPhone app reply actions   1 recs

If it's classless to steal a guy like Ching

Isn’t it just as classless to leave him unprotected? You guys essentially tried to protect 12 players and it didn’t work. Because the Dynamo tried to exploit that with Ching’s threat to retire, they end up getting exploited in return? Both FO’s equally tried using Ching as a pawn for leverage in the draft. I don’t see how you can possibly vilify one and not the other.

I’m curious to see how this pans out though.

-Ben R.

by reesebw on Nov 28, 2011 11:53 AM CST up reply actions  

I'd really

like to put the whole “protect 12 players” thing to rest. Was it a reason the Houston FO did what they did? Maybe, I’m not sure anyone except the FO can ever know that for certain. But projecting that Montreal selected him to thwart us is laughable. Montreal’s focus should be building a team for their inaugural MLS campaign; playing the league’s moral police I think falls somewhere near the bottom of their list. Selecting Ching doesn’t improve their team, and to justify that selection by implying they did so for altruism, truth and justice is silliness. And if you’re not selecting him to improve your team, why did you do it?

by Michael_D on Nov 28, 2011 12:09 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't think

anyone is under any misconceptions about the behind-the-scenes reasons of why our FO left Ching unprotected; in fact, he was aware of it and knew it was part and parcel of life in professional sports. Our issue is WHY Montreal selected him. Hey listen, we get that the expansion draft is a way to make new teams better/more competitive and in a relatively quick way. Fair play. The issue is this: how does selecting Ching make Montreal better? Sure, you can say (rather cynically) that you’ve selected a veteran striker with loads of goals to his credit. But realistically, how many expansion FO’s would select an older striker with injury issues who has already said this is his last year of playing to go and play on an artificial surface (as a Sounders fan you should appreciate this)? And if Montreal was looking to get a player + cash/draft picks as a trade for the pick, I don’t think they could’ve been any more unrealistic than their stated desires. Using Seattle as an example, it’d be like selecting Keller in the draft only to turn around and say hey, we’ll trade him back for Montero + picks. Really? Really? I also get trying to establish a high bargaining position but this is truly outrageous. Again, the issue we have is that if you really are looking to improve through the expansion draft there were dozens of better ways to do so. And as for the justification of “oh, Houston was trying to protect 12 players”, I somehow doubt Montreal did what they did for altruistic purposes. It’s just odd – and I’m being kind with that – that they would try this route to “improve” their team.

by Michael_D on Nov 28, 2011 12:03 PM CST up reply actions  

Well they essentially did that with Chivas

Stealing their RB, Valentin, only to trade the recently drafted Riley, another RB of arguably similar value, back to them in exchange for 2 players, one of them being Braun. It’s not completely unheard of. Usually you draft to trade to other teams. I don’t think it’s all that different if you trade back to the same team you stole the player from, albeit a bit weird.

-Ben R.

by reesebw on Nov 28, 2011 1:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Case History

Toronto selecting Jason Kreis in their expansion draft. I would be shocked if Marsch hadn’t looked at the way that played out before making his selection. Picking Ching as his FIORST pick spoke volumes about what he expects to get in return.

All make good points about our FO and coaching staff- if he was that valued, why wasn’t he protected (instead of Carr)?

I can make a case for most of the other players who were protected- still struggling over Cruz unprotected vs. Taylor or Carr).

I would like Ching here for our home opening day, but not enough to sell the ranch. This is no way devalues all Ching has done for us. The longer we wait, the lower the trade price. Ultimately, the Impact lose if they are unable to trade him. If Ching retires, let’s hope it’s after he suits up for the first game.

by playtherapy on Nov 28, 2011 1:27 PM CST up reply actions  

A broken orange heart

You know, I don’t hold the decision to leave Ching unprotected against the team at all. In the same interview in which he said he’d retire if drafted, Captain Kameahmeah himself said it was a good move and he would do it if he were in the team’s shoes. And it was a good move for many reasons. As has been stated ad nauseum, he’s a beat up striker in what is very likely the final year of his career. He makes $450K guaranteed for 2012. He’s a liability everywhere but where his presence would have an intangible aspect, meaning Houston.

So leaving him unprotected accomplished the following goals, all pretty much good:

1. His undesirability for just about any other team at that price means that, essentially, we tried to protect 12 players. Bully for us. A reasonable gamble.

2. He gets unpicked and we get a player who’s a financial liability, but a huge emotional presence, back in the locker room. Well, nothing is for nothing. For Ching, we’ll take it.

3. He gets picked and either goes to Montreal or retires. In either aspect, that’s $450K additional available for a player who might just contribute more than the Flyin’ Hawaiian. If he retires, you get to keep the “Face of the Franchise” in the front office (at less than $450K for certain). If not, you stick a division competitor with a part-time player who gets paid $450K. Win-win. Also, his getting picked protects other, perhaps more desirable players Dynamo might have lost instead (cough-cough Danny Cruz cough-cough).

As a matter of fact, the only downside to this whole thing I see is that our captain, the player we all as orange-bleeding Dynamo supporters love with our whole hearts, is stuck in the middle, forced to retire before his time and unable to lead the squad out onto the field at Dynamo Park on May 12, 2012. And that right there just hurts me in my broken orange heart. I feel for the guy, and if he’s not there on May 12, there will be more than a bit of me that will be bittersweet.

So why do I hate Jesse Marsch? I don’t so much hate him as I see him as a complete and utter moron. There is no way he is getting anything at all for this pick. You find a realistic outcome that is favorable to Marsch and/or the limpact.

1. Ching retires and plays not a second. In that case, Marsch didn’t just waste a chance to help his club. He wasted the No. 1 pick in the expansion draft. Result: Marsch looks like a moron.

2. Ching plays part-time and $450K of the limpact coffers goes to an unhappy veteran forward who more than likely will play only half of the year, and that in an unmotivated funk. Result: Marsch, who’s responsible for dragging this guy there, looks like a moron.

3. Ching follows Jose de Jesus Ortiz’ advice, goes to Montreal, feels a knee or two twinge in his first training session, elects to have season-ending knee surgery and hangs out in Houston all year while drawing $450K in money from Montreal. (Q, I know in some cases, money made abroad by an American is tax free. Does that apply to Americans working in Canada? Please say yes.) Result: Marsch = moron.

Brian Ching is a smart guy. He is a guy who by his own account, feels emotionally vested in Houston and with the Dynamo. This is a terrible situation he is in. Marsch was well within his rights to select him in that expansion draft. However, that pick was first and foremost detrimental to Marsch’s own club and to Marsch personally. That’s why I hate Jesse Marsch, because I have this absurd desire to have my team’s competitors compete well. I want to beat them at any time and under any circumstances, but it’s more fun when the opponent is playing well and at their best. That’s why I left the Phunion series hating Piotr Nowak (Fair play: I hated him before that to be true.), because he made his team so inept tactically.

Marsch seems be all accounts to be an asshole. I don’t know. Maybe he is and maybe he isn’t. But one thing I do know right now is that by his actions, he is a moron.

"We don't care who finishes second." -- Celtic's Peter Lowrie

by Martek on Nov 28, 2011 1:41 PM CST reply actions  

Seven Stages of Grief

Brian Ching is my favorite player. Ever. Dynamo from Day 1, 4 goals in his first game, crack back goal against New England in the 06 Cup, countless other memories and overall nice guy every time I’ve crossed his path. I wish he could wear orange forever. Sadly, all good things must end and his career as a player here is done. I’ve accepted it.

As for Montreal, BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Suckers! Y’all know he’s gonna be 34 next season, right? You know he hasn’t been healthy in years, right? You know he’s going to retire next season no matter what, right? Frankly, I was hoping he’d retire this year and go out on top. LOL, thanks for the cap space. Thanks for saving the front office the unenviable task of benching the greatest Dynamo for his last season, or worse, cutting him. Thanks for giving us a new villain. Thanks for maintaining the Canadian MLS tradition of being a terrible franchise. And most of all, thanks for sucking. See you next year.

by BerlinTexas on Nov 28, 2011 1:48 PM CST reply actions  

Marsch really is a jerk, and I don't blame the Dynamo

 While Marsch had a right to choose Ching, we have a right to judge Marsch as a jerk for doing so. Its not just Ching, its Sinovik who said he also would retire rather than play for Marsch. Yet Marsch drafted him as well. In that case, SKC traded an aging vet to get the young player back.

 Your suggesting that the Dynamo should make a decision other than what is in their best interest just to keep Marsch from messing with Ching’s retirement plans. I disagree. The Dynamo did right, and should continue to do right by regretfully letting Ching go.

 We in OrangeNation must accept that MLS forces tough decisions on teams. The Dynamo made a reasonable and rational one, unlike Marsch. You can’t blame the Dynamo for that.

by DonJuego Lee on Nov 28, 2011 7:41 PM CST reply actions  

You are quite correct Don. We all love Brian Ching, but I feel that even he would agree that any decision that hurts the team but brings him back is not one he would support. It is a sad thing to have to let Ching go, but I honestly feel that the only way we bring him back is if Marsch gives up and lets him go for almost nothing.

"We don't care who finishes second." -- Celtic's Peter Lowrie

by Martek on Nov 29, 2011 11:26 AM CST up reply actions  

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