Interesting Quotes from Glenn Davis' Radio Show Last Night
by Zach Woosley on Nov 29, 2011 12:00 PM CST
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PrintGlenn Davis, the Houston Dynamo's local play-by-play voice, also does a weekly radio show in Houston dedicated to both the Dynamo and the sport of soccer. Last night was his first show since Brian Ching was selected by the Montreal Impact in the Expansion Draft. Dynamo defender Geoff Cameron and head coach Dominic Kinnear were both guest on the show and had some interesting comments concerning the Ching situation.
Glenn asked Cameron about Brian Ching and here is what the defender had to say:
I think it's a mess to be honest. I know I'm pretty disappointed in Montreal and obviously I've gotta watch what I say but, he's a guy that should remain as a Houston Dynamo player, there's no doubt about that. Obviously I want him to be on our team for next year, he's a leader on and off the field. He's a guy that's been with Dynamo since it started, been with Dom for a number years and with the ownership. I just think it's disappointing. Who would of thought they'd pick him up, I mean there are other guys on the roster that are fantastic players and you look at a guy of his age...I think they chose him for other reasons.
Glenn asked Kinnear about the Ching situation:
A lot of people came down hard on Chris Canetti and unfairly so. Personal decisions like these come down to me and my staff and ultimately come down to me. In leaving Brian unprotected, I never thought that Montreal was going to take him, thinking there were going to look to build a team right from the get go and pick players who would probably want to play there and would play. Knowing Brian's situation with the salary and the surface that Montreal is going to be playing on in the beginning of the season, I was more than surprised, I was completely stunned and a little bit sick to my stomach when I saw his name come up as their first pick. I think there's a relationship between Jesse Marsch and Brian Ching that's maybe lended to them not thinking he was going to be taken but as we know they did and we're sitting here wondering a lot of what-ifs. I think the biggest thing for me is we have to take blame in some of this as well by leaving him unprotected, I wouldn't of put my house on it, but a lot of it I would have put on him not getting selected and I think it stunned a lot of people.
Glenn asked about a code of ethics among coaches in MLS:
Coaches are paid to do what's best for their clubs and help win games. By no means am I happy with what happened, I think it's something that I wouldn't do but obviously people, everybody sees the game and sees the way they want to run their team a little bit differently.
Davis asked if Kinnear had talked to Montreal and he responded that he had not.
...Oh yeah, Geoff Cameron still considers himself a midfielder as well...&!^!%@#.
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Veddy interesting.
And Dom is right. The FO made the right decision in leaving Chingy unprotected. What Marsch did, he did out of spite, hurting his club by wasting a draft pick in the process. That makes him
A. Moron
B. Asshole
C. All of the above
It was a risk to leave him unprotected, sure, but Marsch really has taken the bigger risk by selecting Ching, a completely foolhardy one.
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I get your frustration, but...
Marsch played by the rules here. He knew Ching wouldn’t retire (who walks away from $500k?), and he had value to Kinnear (as evidenced by “completely stunned and a little bit sick to my stomach”). Marsch is only a moron if he gets back less than the value of an unprotected player that he didn’t draft.
Sure, it’s kind of jerky, but so what? Clubs have to maximize on value. As a fan without a horse in this race I like anything that boosts rivalry within the league
I’m not completely neutral (as a Dallas fan), but I just don’t understand the implication that this was a dumb move by Marsch.
Dumb
because if Marsch’s job (which it is, btw) is to build a competitive team, I’m not sure how selecting Ching does that. No one here disagrees that Marsch should be looking to maximize value from his selections and roster moves; in fact, let’s say he selected Danny Cruz: it would’ve been a smart move in that he’s young & relatively inexpensive. I’d say most people would’ve given Marsch kudos for that. But again, how does selecting Ching in any way help field a competitive team starting next season? If he honestly thought selecting Ching would be used as a ransom to get Andre Hainault plus picks then one should seriously question Marsch’s ability to coach and field a roster before a ball is even kicked.
More simply, its wants v needs: we want Ching but we don’t need him. Marsch needs a competitive team and may not have one, and this move didn’t help that at all.
That will be determined by what the Impact get back.
Ok, then the barometer for this pick is: a month or two from now, will Marsch have gotten back something more valuable than Danny Cruz. Based on Kinnear’s comments, and everyone in Houston seeming to want Ching back, I predict the Impact will win on it. It probably won’t be a big win (keep in mind, the Hainault “offer” is only the rumored beginning of negotiations).
Worst case for them, though, is that they lost out on the opportunity to draft Danny Cruz or someone of similar talent and potential. Not that big of a problem for Montreal.
Fair
but I seriously doubt the Impact will come out ahead on this one…not simply out of spite but their needs are far more pressing than ours. If we lose Ching we keep our current roster (which is a quality one) and free up $400K. As you say, the “offer” for Hainault is only the rumored beginning, and while Kinnear says he wants Ching back (and no one here disagrees with that), he knows the odds are he can get Ching back one way or another and with far less of a salary impact. The impetus is on Montreal to do something significant with Ching, otherwise they’re left with an ageing striker who doesn’t want to be there and drawing almost half a million in salary (and could very well retire, meaning they wasted a pick and half a million). That immediately puts them in a position of far less leverage, and I would imagine we’d be more than content to let them sweat it out…remember, time is on our side. If the season starts and Ching is in a L’Impact kit then they pay his salary…so as time goes on they’re going to demand far, far less for him because we’re in the position of power on any deal. Far better to have taken someone with more team value (Cruz) than emotional value (Ching, as much as I love him).
We'll see.
What do mean Kinnear “knows the odds are he can get Ching back one way or another and with far less of a salary impact.” What other way is there than trading? And then you’re saying he’d take less money than he’s already under contract for? That would only make sense if he was stretching out his contract for additional years, which based on his health he probably doesn’t want.
Do you really think he’d retire and forfeit that much money?
Kinnear and your FO seem to really want Ching back for the home opener. Montreal doesn’t look like they’ll be testing the limits of the salary cap, so his salary isn’t very relevant in the short term. There’s only pressure to unload him if they run out of DP slots or cap space.
Well
there are several scenarios where he can come back to Houston; I’d say the least likely one is coming back in a trade. Most likely at this point, unless the terms are favorable to us he will likely be back in a FO capacity. Now again, I’m not Kinnear or Canetti but that’s just the general impression I get here. Also, Ching can still get paid and never play for Montreal; there’s always the chance he can get injured, and at his age and state it could be season-ending. Now, I’m not sure what the rules are regarding length of play and contracts and retiring but I think it’d be wise to brush up on that.
We do want Ching back, and of course for the opener…but again, I don’t think its going to be under terms that are favorable for Montreal. Again, we WANT him back but don’t NEED him back. Montreal needs to do something with him before the season opener. Just sayin’ :)
Ultimately
The value of picking Ching will be in what Montreal gets for him. He’s going to be awfully difficult to unload, actually damn near impossible with that salary, except to Dynamo. But as Michael points out, since we’re not negotiating from a position of need, if we don’t give anything other than allocation money and whatever pocket change we happen to have that day, then it’s hard to say it’ll be anything other than a wash for Montreal. And that’ll count as a loss for Marsch simply because of the time and energy invested in it so far.
We’ll see how it plays out, but when you look at what else was out there to pick (Cruz, for example), it’s hard not to say that Marsch wasted the pick.
The only way I can see this working out for Marsch is if Dynamo do something stupid and pay way more for Ching than what he’s worth.
If that happens, the terrorists win.
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Wheeeee!!!
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ching will absolutely retire before playing for marsch
Ching does not like Marsch. Marsch doesn’t like Ching. If it wasn’t for the new stadium, Ching would likely be retiring anyway.
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by papabear on Nov 29, 2011 3:43 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
Smart move
was taking Donovan Ricketts; he’s the 2010 Goalkeeper of the Year and could easily be used as either a great starting GK or as trade bait for more pieces because he still has high value.
I listened to the whole show last night
Very good program. Kyle Martino also weighed in. Glenn does a great job.
I added this but, just in case you don't see it...
Cameron still considers himself a midfielder…my head might of exploded.
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Just heard that part from Cameron. The boy needs to cool it on this whole midfield crap. It’s like when my son tells me he doesn’t have to do any studying, that he knows everything for that major test tomorrow. Uh-huh. Keep talkin’. Talk, talk, talk and open the damn books.
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This one time
I dressed my own wound…I still wonder if I should’ve been a doctor. I also stayed at a Holiday Inn the night before…
Listening to Glenn's show now
He reported that Dynamo are pursuing Panamanian striker Blas Perez, who currently plays with Indios from Ciudad Juarez.
His Wikipedia page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blas_P%C3%A9rez
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Saw that
Its an interesting thought as quite a number of us have been saying we need a winger/forward with pace…I’ve seen him play in a few internationals and he does look very quick and tricky, I’d want to dig in a bit more to see his stats and whether or not he’d be looking at being a DP. But looks promising enough…
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