Monday Morning Centre Back: Is Kinnear or the Front Office's Unrealistic Expectations The Problem?
I think it's fair to say that opinions among Dynamo fans are split about head coach Dominic Kinnear at the moment. For the second straight season, it's the middle of summer and the Dynamo's season is already on the verge of collapse and the question must be asked, who is to blame?
I don't necessarily think the problem is as simple as replacing the head coach. I think there are issues from the top of the organizational structure to the bottom in terms of on-field performance, scouting and player evaluation. However, in the norm in sports for the coach to take the fall for issues that might not necessarily be all their fault.
None the less, the Dynamo are in real danger of missing the MLS playoffs for the second straight season and nothing that Canetti and Kinnear have done with the roster over the past year has worked. If the team had embraced the idea of rebuilding instead of trying to convince everyone that 2010 was a blip on the radar, it's possible people might be more understanding. Instead they tried to sell something other than the truth in hopes they could have a good season and stir-up interest in the team ahead of the new stadium opening next year.
Now they are left with the very real possibility of the team's season being effectively over in August and a lot of disgruntled fans who are being asked to swallow an increase of their season ticket bills.
Before I ask the readers their opinion, I should offer mine. I don't think Kinnear should be fired but I think the front office has backed themselves in to a corner where they may not have a choice. Let's face it, this time is in a rebuilding mode. My SBNation Houston sidekick Jordan Wise made a good point to me this morning, saying this team is actually in rebuilding mode. There are several players being given a chance to earn their place for the future (Weaver, Watson, Cruz) and youth is being served with Hall, Sarkodie and Bruin being given playing time.
There in lies the problem though, the team has refused to accept or acknowledge they are rebuilding. Instead they've tried to sell this season as an immediate rebound from 2010 and set the bar way too high. Fans are expecting something this team honestly might not be ready for. Either Canetti needs to admit this or he's going to have no choice to make a coaching change he might ultimately regret in an attempt to placate angry fans ahead of the new stadium opening.
So let's start with a simple question, should the Dynamo fire Dominic Kinnear? Do you think it would make any difference in terms of both the short term (trying to make the playoffs) and the long term success of the team? Would it be a misplaced knee-jerk reaction or have things gotten stale and it's time for a change?
Make your vote below and feel free to discuss the state of the team in the comments.
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Canetti should look @ his own job before even considering Dom’s tenure. If the present lack of a transfer policy other than looking for bargain deals is due to Dom, I might change my opinion.
Kinnear needs to have a chance to rebuild but needs the materials to do so. Yet, I look @ the success of former Orange Men- Wondo, Oduro, De Ro (perhaps not the latter as he became the total Toronto offense)- and wonder if rigidity in thinking limits our ability to make adjustments even w/o signficant signings…
And that
is where DK can take part of the blame; I do understand a coach has a vision of how they want a team to play and the best way to do so (ie, formations) but at the same time it does require a degree of flexibility in thinking that is sometimes called in to question. I know I give DK plenty of latitude there but the rest of this season and next (assuming the FO doesn’t $hit themselves into a panic move like firing DK) will be a real test of that
Interested
I’m intrigued by the fire Dom vote. While i don;t agree, I definitely feel the frustration and am very interested in what you think a coaching change might bring.
i agree
we ALWAYS play the 4-4-2 with the diamond midfield. we rarely try anything else. im very dissapointed with this season. cameron at cam for 12 or 13 games straight was so stupid. and how the hell have we not found a striker?
taking time to find a DP CAM is understandable but a STRIKER!!!?!?!!? come on man, we cant find one player who fits the speed forward who can finish better than bruin and weaver, not to mention garey?
The FO obsession with finding hispanic players pisses me off too. I am hispanic and i enjoy the mexican league and i support Atlas, and the mexican national team (when they dont play USA). what brings in fans is a WINNING TEAM. who cares where the players are from, our attendance was so much better in our first four seasons because we kicked ass. Houstonians love having a winning team. forget demographics lets make a winning team because that is one thing the dynamo have always had over the rockets, astros, and texans.
Love your argument!
I’m also hispanic (born here but parents are from El Salvador) but at this point I just want a winning team out there. I remember when I went to the Bolton game and the only player that stood out to me was Chung-Yong Lee. Man would I kill to have a player of his technicality, ball control and he also had some very good crosses. My point is that I don’t care where the player is from as long as he’s good as hell.
Word
I’ll say that as a Hispanic as well I don’t give a toss where the guy is from, as long as he can play. To me nationality should be dead last on the checklist; in fact I’ve been throwing out names from Africa & Europe. As you and Ace said, just win!
the biggest fan base is hispanic
and they we have never had a recognizable hispanic name on this team, and despite that you see dynamo fans travel down in el salvador supporting the team against metapan in the champions league.
Canetti, forget about demographics and get your head out of your ass. canetti strikes me as a salesman rather than a passionate president. he sells the dynamo product but does not seem to bleed orange or even be too familiar with soccer, a la garber
Rebuilding and/or Retooling
So I’ll simply reiterate that which has been stated before by myself & a few others: we’re in a sort of rebuilding/retooling state. Rebuilding because yes, our team has been depleted either through trades/signings/etc so we’re trying to re-establish another young nucleus. However, we have enough quality collective pieces that with a quality signing or two we could still make some noise this season, hence why we could also be “labeled” as retooling. Its a tough position to be in but so an enviable one; we are neither hot nor cold. Honestly, though, most of the onus & any subsequent blame would have to fall on Canetti (though DK couldn’t be blameless in it)
Yup
Despite a 20% fire Dom voter turnout, the posting majority seem to blame the FO.
by playtherapy on Jul 25, 2011 11:54 AM CDT up reply actions
We blame the FO
for not bringing in that player yet. Both the FO and Dom and his assistants had a very busy off season. We got rid of a lot of players and gained a lot of new ones. We are a quality team with good players, but for some reason we can’t find the back of the net or our defense lets us down. Hopefully we find a player that makes the rest of our players on the field better.
It could be worse though…at least we’re not the Astros of MLS
Whew
The ‘Stros are a cautionary tale of what not to do: try to hold on to the shreds of past glory by overpaying “stars” that have name recognition but no significant production on the field. It’s why they’re only beginning to see the light at the tunnel because they effectively had to gut the entire roster and start over with youth. The Dynamo have some quality talent that isn’t entirely green but hasn’t quite hit their prime, but mixed in with a player in his prime (Davis) and one that is soon to sail into the sunset (Ching). It’s why the signings this year are going to be critical because they’ll either condemn this team for the next 3-4 years or could put us on the ascent for the next 3-4 years. That’s a combination of the FO’s vision and delivery on that vision as well as the coach for his input and implementation of the team we have
Front Office
Too many bad signing, too many players sent off, need to do a better job scouting talent..
Well
The signings are always going to be hit-or-miss, but part of that goes back to the issue of scouting for the Dynamo (and honestly, for MLS in general). It’s the old spend-money-to-make-money conundrum, but in this case we’re seeing that you really do have to make the investment in scouting to raise your chances of making better signings.
As for the players being sent off, part of that is frustration with play, part is positional uncertainty/responsibility, part is the quality of MLS refs and then lastly, part is just plain stupidity.
Fixing the leaks with duct tape
As far as our signings go, we’re betting the future on a wild cat straight. It’s as if we’re playing the State lottery where I have a better chance of getting struck by lightening than winning. Spend a dollar in the hopes of winning millions. We might as well smoke it and hope the smoke brings a boon from the fire gods.
I guess the lack of funding is due to the new stadium or is it just tight fistedness?
We are Arsenal of the MLS, without Wenger, without pretty football, without a 4th place in the final standings.
Hold it, we’re only share CHEAP with Arsenal.
We only share
When using the royal we, it’s important to be grammatically correct.
Wow
That was like a classic Ronaldinho run through a defense…well done sir, well done. Your anger is a sweet, sweet commenting nectar :)
And you’re right, we’re trying to make a dollar out of 15 cents and those days unfortunately are over (or at least very few and very far between). To stay competitive we have to spend money, and as you note its either because of the stadiums and our fingers in several pies or that management is gun-shy after a few DP signings gone bad. Could be both, and sadly both are legit reasons…but the problem is that the penultimate product, the performance on the field, is what suffers here. That is what keeps the punters filing in and the sponsors splashing their name on every inch of space. Without a good product on the field it is all for naught.
I’ll see your brilliant Arsenal analogy and raise you one from the NBA: the LA Clippers. Blessed to be in a great market, they get great talent then let them waste away by not spending money on talent that could help them become championship contenders (or overpays players that are busts), then let them go for pennies on the dollar where said talent then resurrects their respective careers. (Of course, that’s minus the racist, misogynistic owner that is Donald Sterling)
Ouch
Much better analogy, especially since I’ve given up on most Americano sports (the strikes got to me, BAD!).
IDK
I’m really puzzled by our team and organization this year. I know we all expect a few bumps early in the year but it almost seems like the FO either ignored the issues for too long, simply dismissed them as early season blues and we’d snap out of it or was simply caught flat-footed on this. Maybe being in the East disguised the issue and allowed them time to make baby steps forward in terms of talent (with the Koke signing perhaps being the exception, regardless of how it turned out). But at this point there simply can be no denying that we can’t continue with business as usual for this year, and I know they have alot on the plate with the stadium and HASP but still, it just seems that we wrong-footed ourselves.
Well, I like the fact that there seems to be confidence in Dom. Though I’m a little confused by the strength of that confidence. 83 percent say he should stay, despite the fact that this season is actually shaping up to be exactly the same as last year’s!
At this point in 2010, the Houston Dynamo had a mark of 5-8-4 (19 points) en route to a 9-15-6 final tally (33 points in 30 games). Right now, the team sits at 5-7-9 (24 points), which would put them on track to net 39 points in the season’s 34 games.
To put that more succinctly (and with fewer numbers) the 2010 squad notched an average of 1.10 ppg. So far this season, the 2011 squad is getting 1.14 ppg. With all of the changes in the squad this season, the team has improved by only a paltry .04 ppg.
So while it’s true that you can’t fire the players all at once, from one season to the next, you certainly can fire or change a goodly number of them, which this organization did. And after doing that, the eject button’s targets get fewer and fewer, leading inevitably to the coaching staff and front office.
I do not post all of this to start the Kinnear Sack Race. I like Dom, and ask the question of what any other coach might have done with this rebuilding squad. However, at some point, a team makes wholesale changes and results had better be evident. If not, then it’s the team builders’ asses that hang out to dry, right?
So, 83 percent support? OK then people, let’s hear it. The argument that the changes have not worked so far is very easy to produce. Give me the argument that says Dom and the FO should stay. And if the best that can be produced is that no one could have won with this collection of talent, then that is weak tea indeed.
"We don't care who finishes second." -- Celtic's Peter Lowrie
Put that in yer pipe and smoke it
You leave out the part about what weak tea indeed says about the tea suppliers, buyers, and company owners who shop for, buy, then sell such an inferior product.
Dom has made questionable decisions and perhaps, could have applied more makeup. With the right clothes, and a makeover, maybe that weight gain could be hidden and maybe we’d get that prom playoff date.
Yet when the lights were on and clothes were off, all would be revealed.
I have had major problems with Dom’s decisions but even more with the FO. Who is in charge of player acquisition or nonacquisition- Kinnear or Canneti?
Interesting points
however as we’ve seen, its a bit more complicated than reducing it to simply a “Fire Kinnear: Yes or No”…that’s why while many still support Kinnear (or at least feel sacking him either isn’t the answer or a bad idea or both), I think several of us have voiced how he isn’t exactly faultless in this.
IMHO, here’s why DK and the FO should stay, but only through next season:
Turover. As you rightly point out, we’ve flipped most of the squad, so we have a collection of rookies, nephews and a few vets (some still with some miles to go, others not so much). Now, I don’t know if we intended to make the changes we made but I would hope that is the case because it would imply we in fact have a plan. Now, I might be projecting here but when you have this much turnover you try to retain a sense of stability, which is why you would want to keep the same coach, staff, formation, etc. However, you’re still trying to feel everyone out and what their strengths and weaknesses are. I’ll give you two minor examples:
I play on a few rec leagues (and I’m sure plenty of you do too), and every season while we may have a core group of players that return, there are always new people and for some of us our state may have changed. Some of us may be nursing injuries, some of us unfit, some of us in great shape and have even improved. So it takes us a few games to really get a feel for each other and what we can do best now, not based on what we previously did. I feel the same thing has happened with the Dynamo, with of course the exception that they can go out and find people to address any issues that cannot be addressed with the current roster.
Also, in my professional life I help lead various types of projects: while the projects may differ, the methodology of implementation rarely changes but the people often do. So there is always a period of adjustment where I have new resources that, while they may be capable, are having to adjust to new roles and responsibilities. This takes time and can impact project delivery times and milestones.
I guess the point I’m trying to illustrate here (rather poorly & verbosely) is that I tend to take a longer-term, high-level view of things. If I see a trend that can potentially impact events long term I’ll point that out while understanding that in the short term there will be some fluctuations…but as long as I see that there will not be a negative impact long-term I’m ok with that. I view our current situation in the same way: assuming this is part of a long-term plan then our state is bearable, because it implies that we KNOW what the issues are and are working on them, regardless of whether we (the fans) know that or not. Projects and plans in general take a time to see through to fruition: even some of the quickest projects take a few weeks to complete. In the case of overhauling a team for the future, it may take a couple of years. As long as I see the trend moving toward that (which for the most part I do) then I can live with that. That being said, its why I caution that this and the latter part of the season are what concern me because this is where we have to make a correction (CAM, Winger/Forward) in order to achieve the long-term plan. As long as we see positive movement in that direction, and as long as it intensifies then I won’t panic as much. Its when we keep seeing these scrub trialists brought in as a potential solution that I really start to get concerned.
So bottom line: I give them the rest of the year to show improvements toward a long-term goal. If that doesn’t happen then the sack race for both should begin next season in earnest
(and I have no idea whether I answered you sufficiently or not)
So it seems you are saying that there has not been enough time to measure the progress of this plan.
I think there’s a point here. The 1.1 ppg of last season was done with an aging team with no future. The 1.14 of this season is being done with a mostly young team with potential. So in this case 1.1 does not necessarily equal 1.1.
There are some (playtherapy mainly and I was quite slow to come along) who suggested that the rebuilding project should have begun from the moment that the MLS western semifinal ended in 2009. As soon as it was clear to everyone that neither Holden nor Clark were coming back, and that those who were were in fact aging, then it should have begun right there and then. Why did it take most of 2010 to come to this conclusion? Why was so much time in the 2009-10 offseason spent in a doomed attempt to convince Holden to stay? It never should have happened. And even though the FO was focused primarily on the soon-to-be-vacant seat of Oliver Luck and the finalizing of the stadium deal, that is no excuse.
So yes, you’re right. Rebuilding projects in general are not one-season affairs, but if this had started when it should have, then we would be seeing results today. And that is at the feet of both Kinnear and the FO.
"We don't care who finishes second." -- Celtic's Peter Lowrie
Wow
You’re exactly right and wow, it took me WAY too long to say that. Rebuilding projects take time and trying to rebuild the rebuilding project will only complicate and delay things. So let’s ride it out and see if they are moving towards that goal.
The second point you and PT make is very legit and valid. I know it was a transition time but still, at least DK should’ve seen that and let management know that…instead we effectively lost that season because we didn’t start making moves immediately towards rebuilding. That I completely agree with and yes, DK and the FO should shoulder the blame for that.
That's the part we don't know
Maybe Kinnear told the team they needed to rebuild in 2009. Maybe the FO thought they could get by with what they had. Maybe Kinnear and the FO wanted to make changes then, but AEG had them on a tight leash with so much uncertainty about a new stadium at that time. Maybe Kinnear was resistant to change. We just don’t know. The team is always going to put a positive spin on things publicly, but that doesn’t mean we should confuse a press release with what is or isn’t going on behind closed doors.
"If my hips had pockets, I wouldn't wear pants at all." @NotBurtReynolds
Two-headed monster
It seems to be both of them, though Canetti clearly has additional responsibilities. What I have come to realize is that Kinnear is responsible for the talent on the field, though Canetti is responsible for working out contracts, etc.
"We don't care who finishes second." -- Celtic's Peter Lowrie
And there is the rub
As I was attempting to do earlier (and failing miserably to do so) was to point out that when management gives you a clear directive, its much easier to implement regardless of whoever the resources are doing the actual work. If Canelli is responsible for the team’s direction and he simply delegates day-to-day implementation of that vision to DK then Canelli holds the cards and is ultimately responsible. If its more a 55/45 split then DK is almost equally culpable…I get the sneaking suspicion that its more a 70/30 relationship (or maybe 65/35). But of course this is pure conjecture
Martek?
Aren’t you saying 40% Canetti (or less)/ 60% Kinnera (or more)???
Yep
Kinnear says to Canetti “You keep thinkin’ Butch. That’s what you’re good at.”
Canetti says to Kinnear: “Hmmm. Big bank.”
"We don't care who finishes second." -- Celtic's Peter Lowrie
Couldn't resist
Reminds me of Bricktop’s line from Snatch:
“It’ll get you in a lot of trouble thinking, Errol. If I were you, I wouldn’t do too much of it.”
I don't think firing Kinnear fixes anything
A huge part of a coaches job is to get the players to “buy in” to what they are trying to do and to manage egos. Sure, they have to make the right player selections and tactical adjustments, but you would hope that at this level that a coach has already proven his tactical acumen. Kinnear has, and I don’t think he’s gotten any dumber since winning his MLS cups. As long as there are no signs(there be a few cracks beginning to show) that Kinnear has lost the locker room then I see no reason to fire him now. The second I think the players have turned on him my vote changes though.
Too much emphasis is placed on Kinnear’s formation IMO. Most coaches have a standard formation that they use as a starting point. Once the whistle blows formations tend to morph on the field depending on the game at hand. I’m more worried about how the team plays on the field than what’s shown on the starting lineups. Whether it’s an outside back being more involved offensively, Brad Davis tucking inside, or a Danny Cruz pushing higher than normal none of the adjustments/combinations are producing results, but it’s not like Kinnear hasn’t been trying to find the right combination. I might not like every move he has made, but you can’t deny the Kinnear has done plenty of juggling to try and make things work this year.
If we can’t connect open simple passes, and don’t have players with the confidence to turn with the ball and get up field then it’s not going to matter what formation we are in. Our default response is “OH SHIT PRESSURE, PASS IT TO THE CB/GK.” Is that going to change because we have a 5 man midfield if we’re drawing from the same talent pool? Nope, it’s just going to mean our already isolated forward takes even more of a beating fighting off multiple defenders trying to win the inevitable long ball because we couldn’t build through the mid-field..
We know Kinnear is capable of winning, if he has the right pieces. The idea that a coach can squeeze more out of the talent at hand is nice and all, but not something that can usually be sustained long term. The organizations needs to take a look top to bottom at how they operate. Training. Scouting. Everything. Firing the coach now does nothing to improve us on the field. Take a look at the whole situation at the end of the season and see if you have better options.
This has always been a rebuilding year. I just hoped that it could be done on the fly with as little pain as possible. That is definitely not happening.
"If my hips had pockets, I wouldn't wear pants at all." @NotBurtReynolds
So who's responsible then...
…for putting the right players on the field? And isn’t that person responsible if the players on the field don;t respond or improve over time?
"We don't care who finishes second." -- Celtic's Peter Lowrie
I'm not saying Kinnear is blameless
He obviously has a hand in building the roster, but if the problem is in how we evaluate talent then look at that process and figure out how to make it better.
Kinnear has tried all kinds of combinations this year. None of them have “worked” like we would like. All but the very bottom of the roster guys have had chances. I don’t see how you can blame his player selections when we’ve tried so many different combinations. The pieces just aren’t there. Blame Kinnear all you want for his role in that, but I would prefer to try an find a way to improve our scouting process instead of firing a proven head coach who players seem to respect.
As far the players improving…Kinnear has helped develop his share of players so we know a player with the talent can elevate his game under Kinnear. Could another coach do more to help some players grow? Possibly, but maybe those guys have just hit their ceiling.
I just see a roster that is missing pieces, and despite what the press releases say I think the FO knows it too. I think they can improve their process for finding talent without blowing up the rest of the formula that has worked before.
"If my hips had pockets, I wouldn't wear pants at all." @NotBurtReynolds
I'm with you
I think Kinnear has proven his worth as a coach over the years, but many coaches have been fired for far less reasons than a year and a half with a 1.1 ppg record.
I hope the future is with Kinnear, but if the team that’s assembled does not respond to him or if the personnel decisions he makes are not working, then at some point, there will be only one remedy, as fair or unfair as it might be.
"We don't care who finishes second." -- Celtic's Peter Lowrie
I'm not of fan of doing things just because that's how others did it
Each situation is unique. The results haven’t been there, but plenty of great coaches have bad stretches in their career. Don’t fire a proven one because the teams having a bad stretch. Even the best run teams are going to have some lows.
"If my hips had pockets, I wouldn't wear pants at all." @NotBurtReynolds
SAF
I despise some of his parlour tricks he plays in the press (and ManU in general) but SAF is a prime example…he went through a rough spell before they found the right combination of players and of course embarked on a run of EPL championships and other assorted trophies. DK is having a rough spot now but I think with time and the right combination of existing talent and upgrades we can right the ship
WTF???
Although Dynamo fans would love a marquee designated player, Canetti doesn’t see one on the horizon in this transfer window.
“I know there’s sort of an expectation,” Canetti said. "There is no market for a big-name designated player whatsoever. They’re not out there. Nobody’s on the market that would fit that bill.
“I’m not going to sign a designated player just to sign one, so it’s got to make sense. We’re targeting forwards and midfielders from all over the globe.”
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/soc/7665736.html#ixzz1T9ViZceI
Ummm. Am I in a time warp? Did we just recently lose Clarke and Holden or has there been a donut hole in the middle for the past 2 seasons?
Cannetti speaks as if our search for better players is a recent one. Guess there was NO ONE out there @ the end of 2009, or 2010, and now in 2011.
Gosh Buffie, how the HECK are all those other MLS teams finding new players? Apparently, the local illegal arms dealers also trade in foreign players on the cheap (Akbar and Jeff’s MLS Bargain Barn), and Cannetti is too high and mighty for that…
Huh???
I'm OK with this
Personally, I couldn’t give a rat’s nether parts about whether or not Dynamo sign a designated player. As you’ve pointed out before, how much better is it to instead use that money on several players that fit into a larger whole? If they can get Sanchez, Boniek Garcia or players of that ilk who are competitive and strong in MLS without spending a DP slot, then more power to them.
I’m a little interested in this part:
Midfielders Miler Castillo of Ecuador and Bjorn Lindemann of Germany were sent back home Thursday. Diminutive Costa Rican forward Alvaro Sanchez might return for another trial period, but large blisters on both his heels robbed him of a chance to play against Bolton.
“We have decided to not offer contracts to Castillo and Lindemann,” Canetti said. “We may take a closer look at Sanchez once he is healthy.”
OK, so Lindemann and Castillo did not work out. Maybe Sanchez will once those mysterious blisters heal. (Still wondering about that.)
But the other point you make is indeed a cogent one. Where was this urgency a year and half ago?
"We don't care who finishes second." -- Celtic's Peter Lowrie
Saw a story that Sanchez normally wears two pairs of socks to protect from blisters
When he got here he was issued one pair by the Dynamo with his training gear. Why he didn’t just ask for another sock or wear his own is beyond me. You would think he would say something once the blisters started instead of letting them get to the point where he couldn’t perform.
"If my hips had pockets, I wouldn't wear pants at all." @NotBurtReynolds
Cannetti couldn't do anything until he got the OK from the ownership group
I don’t know exactly when that came down, but I believe it was sometime in the past offseason around when the stadium deal was locked in.
I would honestly rather the team do nothing than get desperate and pay someone DP money who doesn’t deserve it. The “we have to do something mentality” causes more problems than it fixes.
"If my hips had pockets, I wouldn't wear pants at all." @NotBurtReynolds
Agreed buuut
While I agree, the do nothing policy while other teams make significant NON-DP signings- makes Cannetti’s statements hard to understand. Very slammed @ work but will do an article in the next week or so looking @ what many of our counterparts have done in the transfer market and also look @ the salaries of these signings.
In fact, one might need to look no further than up IH 45 @ the Castillo- Chavez acquisitions-two players with a combined salary of less than 100k.
Of course, one might to have to actually leave the office (and look) to find. Hey, Papa. I’m not disputing you, I’m just sick of these lame excuses… Bravo’s salary didn’t break the bank and Juninho is a bargain. Luke Rodgers makes 180k, would love to have him and his personality. Friberg would be an improvement over what we’ve got… Simon Dawkins was a find.
Now i’m sure some of these were not acquired on the open market (don;t have the time to research), but they were a sign of a hungry, active FO.
Weren’t you jealous when the Fire signed Sebastian Grazzini? Even @ 30 yrs old, even if he’s a flop, they’re trying. We stay pat.
Again
This was a quick search, some of these might be draft picks, but seem to be recent jewels this season. Will check em out and add some late this or next week.
I meant
Lame excuses by Cannetti, not you- as if we had the power to play King for a day!
We're talking about two different things
Canetti’s statement was in regard to a DP only. I was only talking about DP’s. You’re moving the goalpost and talking about any player acquisitions…which is the area I’m saying the Dynamo need to revamp and get better at.
Canetti said they are still looking for forwards and midfielders, but that they haven’t found a DP worthy player. That doesn’t mean your criticism isn’t valid, but it didn’t apply to that quote.
"If my hips had pockets, I wouldn't wear pants at all." @NotBurtReynolds
Good point!
Yup, I’m not necessarily on the sign a DP bandwagon and yup, I was lumping the two together.
I'll translate...
"AEG closed the money purse tighter than a frightened sphincter, so we can’t afford to pursue a legitimate designated player"
This team is making me go all black cloud lately.
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by Zach Woosley on Jul 25, 2011 4:26 PM CDT up reply actions
maybe, maybe not
But that is just a guess(that I have a feeling will be treated as a fact by at least some fans). I don’t find it that hard to believe that they can’t find a player who fits their budget, wants to come play in 100 degree weather all summer, isn’t way past their due date, and is actually available.
They might have too many conditions for a DP to meet, but I would rather them be 100% confident in a DP player than make a move out of desperation.
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Torn
I mean, I want to say that the Koke episode was at least an attempt to get someone who actually did have talent (but unfortunately lacked desire and fitness) but simply didn’t work out. Part of that could be chalked up to meager scouting, part desperation (wanting to find a diamond on the cheap, which turned out to be moissanite), but these things are of course done in hindsight. I will say it was a prudent move to structure the deal the way it was so that we had an out without having to pay the lions share of his would-be salary…that makes me want to believe Canetti & the FO have some clue about what’s what in the footballing world.
As we’ve pointed out as well, it is a particularly tough list we have on the requirements of the DP (and it had better be for a CAM…if its not then I quit……..something):
1) Preferably younger (mid-to-late 20’s)
2) Reasonable contract (700K-1.5MM/yr)
3) Proven experience at club and national level AND in a globally recognized league (Antigua, Belize & Barbados just hung their head in resignation)
Yes, that’s quite a bit of an ask but this is a need that is not new. I understand we tried experiments (Plan B) to see if we could solve the issue without having to pursue a DP (Plan A) but clearly that hasn’t worked…so I would hope that we’re still trying to pursue Plan A rather than making up the plan now. So I would assume we’ve already created a list of potential targets before the season started since this was an issue since last season…now whether that in fact is the case, I guess we’ll never really know.
I just feel that if we don’t hear noises (even if whispers and rumors) about potential targets by the end of this year then we’re screwed for the next couple of years.
Pyrite Boy?
Hey, where’s Oscar de la Hoya when you need him?
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by Zach Woosley on Jul 25, 2011 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs













