What the Numbers Say- Something or Nuthin'?
Punching in a quickie post regarding Houston's home and away records (if you've heard me type several miles away, you'll know what I mean- I'm been asked not to type when on conference calls).
Our recent surge reflects our ability to draw on the road and win at home- hence Martek's claim of Robertson Stadium becoming a House of Pain once again. Yup, it's been a while. Nothing attending a home game and leaving pissed off. The frustration has hopefully ended, though if we continue our run and make the playoffs, to progress, we'll have to do something we haven't done all season.
Win on the road.
This is entirely possibly, though we'll have to conjure up some better away numbers than these:
- 0-4-8 record when we're on tour.
- 8 goals scored, 15 goals allowed in 12 games
- 0.67 goals scored per game (OUCH!)
- 1.17 goals allowed per game
- Out of 4 losses, 2 have been by 1 goal; 1 by 2 goals; and 1 by 3 goals
- Four losses isn't bad, nor is the stingy 1.17 goals allowed, it's the draws that get us.
- We have been shut out 5 times out of 12 road matches, or 42%
- We have scored 1 goal 6 times away from home, or 50%
- We scored 2 goals 1 time when visiting, or 8%
To give you something to compare this with, let's look at our numbers when playing at home:
- 8-3-3 record at Robertson
- 26 goals scored, 17 allowed in 14 games
- 1.86 goals scored per game (not bad, buffered by 10 goals in last 4 games- nice)
- 1.21 goals allowed per game
- In our 3 losses (only 1 less than on the road), 2 have been by 1 goal; 1 has been by 2 goals
- We have been shut out 2 times, or 14%
- We have scored 1 goal 3 times, or 21%
- We have scored 2 goals 5 times, or 36%
- We have scored 3 goals 3 times, or 21%
- We have scored 4 goals 1 time, or 7%
Note that our defense is slightly stingier on the road.
I don’t have time to look at how Ching's injuries play into this. Still, food for thought…
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So
this is intriguing stuff here. Is it truly a mental thing here? Is it because our lineup has been so inconsistent at home v road games? I guess I should take the time to research what the overall turnover is from road v home, for the season, and factoring in injuries, competitions, suspensions, etc.
But you’re exactly right that we must get 3 points in Canada this weekend. We should’ve had them except of course for Matt Reis’ deal-with-the-devil game, but again we find ourselves in a situation where the full road points are ripe for the taking: when we faced the Revs they were on a slide but were able to get a point against us and here is Vancouver which is looking like the best pub-league team in North America. We’re riding high and they’re not, we have our most complete roster all season long so quite frankly this is just as critical as the RSL game we just won: if we can’t get a road win against Vancouver then we’re f****d, plain and simple. Sure we may still make the playoffs but we’d be first-game fodder. We’re tantalizingly close…
We're in a better position
So we don’t HAVE to get 3 pts in the Great White North. However, if we are to win a road game or score a deuce more than once away, this is a great opportunity. Need to score first and hopefully, early.
by playtherapy on Aug 23, 2011 11:38 AM CDT up reply actions
True
But of course I’d rather us put that out of mind and treat it that we have to get the points…I’d rather have a cushion of points late in the season and hold on to them rather than fight for them if we don’t have to…
:)
Of the four road losses
May 7, 2-1 to Toronto
May 25, 1-0 to LAG
June 6, 2-0 to San Jose
July 23, 3-0 to las chivitas
So, in the losses, that’s a total scoreline of 8-1, with three bunched into a one-month span. Overall, the road performances have indeed been better since that time, as evidenced by how we played at New England. Now, the Revs certainly aren’t winning many games at all this season, but really, if it weren’t for Matt Reis, we’d be talking about a three-game winning streak and slightly better numbers than what you posted above. The point being that in the things we can control, things are getting better.
Another point, of course, just looking at these results is, “Stay out of California.”
"We don't care who finishes second." -- Celtic's Peter Lowrie
Of those...
Hunter Freeman started at RB in 3 of those 4, Boz started at CB in 3 of those 4 and Lovel Palmer started in the midfield for 3 of those 4.
Take that for what its worth (probably not alot)
/I may or may not have created a spreadsheet detailing the games, scores, and roster for the season thus far
//Should be working for STATS??
Oh Can-na-da?
Four away losses ain’t so bad, even staggering losses like these.
It’s those damn goose egg road wins, something we share only with juggernauts Torotno and our foe this weekend, Vancouver.
Here’s to praying we can vault into another galaxy, so we can greet a new set of one away win peers- like Portland, New England, and (GASP!) NYRB.
Slap me silly for thinking Backe WAS going to take the Shield this year. Bet we all bet wrong on this underachiever. Hats off to the Orange- though we railed and may continue to rail at our results, we do not squandered the veritable wealth of talent NY has.
Yikes!
Have not squandered
Damn this native language of mine!
Martek
How can I make that numbers pic smaller? Had to give url of pic and i guess that pic was HUGE, therefore this one is to… Help?
Like Willy said
So, here’s a statistical sampling of life on the road (again):
Total – 12 road games thus far
ROAD DRAWS
In the 8 road games we drew this year, we allowed 7 goals
In those same games we scored 7
Players in a defensive role for = or >50% of those games:
Hunter Freeman, Corey Ashe, Bobby Boswell, Andre Hainault
Midfielders who played = or >50% of those games:
Lovel Palmer, Geoff Cameron, Brad Davis and Danny Cruz
Forwards who played (in one combination or another) = or >50% of those games:
Will Bruin, Brian Ching, Cam Weaver
ROAD LOSSES
In the 4 road games we lost this year, we allowed 8 goals
In those same games we scored 1
Players in a defensive role for = or >50% of those games:
Hunter Freeman, Bobby Boswell, Andre Hainault, Corey Ashe
Midfielders who played = or >50% of those games:
Lovel Palmer, Geoff Cameron, Brad Davis Colin Clark, Danny Cruz
Forwards who played (in one combination or another) = or >50% of those games:
Will Bruin, Cam Weaver, Koke
Martek pointed out the road loss stats earlier and its a pretty grim picture: we can’t defend and we can’t score. I know I know, groundbreaking research here but that’s why I wanted to take a look at the line-ups to see if we could glean anything further. Its always tenuous to make some assumptions based on this but we can at least see that pairing Freeman, Boz and Hainault gives shaky results (regardless of home or road), and that including Palmer isn’t helping either. Also, pairing Bruin & Weaver wasn’t terribly effective on the road either (though it could be because similar skill-sets, rookie on the road, shaky midfield).
I’m not saying any of this is hard-and-fast or that speculation based on this is correct, I’m just saying its interesting to look
Damn
Before I moved overseas in high school, I was a baseball Bill James type stat nut.
Gave Americano sports up after the umpteenth player strike. But now, with all these numbers, I’m a droolin’.
Home vs. Away
It seems as though the players really do respond to the fans. I was at the Portland game-we won. Excellent all around game. Then we go to New England and come out with no energy. If the players need the fans to pump themselves up then one of two things need to happen- We all need to break out our frequent flier miles or they need to get the mental half of their pre-game warmup into shape. I don’t want another Chivas USA nightmare on the road.
Got miles?
I’d gladly go…I’d say I could fit in the luggage but who am I kidding?
Though yes, it is very curious that we seem to behave that way: unless we start getting wins on the road if we still make the playoffs we won’t last very long. To me, now that we have a settled rotation and showing more attack we need to start getting better results on the road…its our consistent inconsistency that kills me: great win or result followed by a crap result.
Tiiii-iii-iii-me is on my side...
…Yes, it is.
I think we should take a dynamic, or at least relativistic, look at the road losses. The thing about those four is that three of them came early in the season. If not for a total meltdown against Chivas, then the losses would all be well in the past, and as the intervening time grows larger, then their importance or relation to present form recedes.
I think, depending on what happens this weekend, that it might just be possible to rate the Chivas game as something of an outlier in relation to present form. Just how much of an outlier can be seen in this look over time at the eight road draws:
March 25, 1-1 Sounders
April 2, 1-1 NYRB
April 23, 1-1 Chi
May 14, 0-0 RSL
June 25, 2-2 DCU
July 23, 0-0 COLO
Aug 6, 1-1 PHI
Aug 17, 1-1 NER
What I am seeing here is a certain consistency. Only in the DC game did either team score more than 1. And in all of the others, the score was quite low.
To drive the point further home, in the five road games since the third loss, the team has drawn four times and lost once. So not only is the fact of the Chivas game something of an outlier, the heavily weighted score is even more of one.
To me, these are the indicators of progress. Are they signs of a championship side? Let’s not kid ourselves. But again, the point of this season is to get better and scrub the stain of 2010 from the team. And in that regard, it’s clear that we are well on our way.
So in this sense, we are holding the line, or at the very least not going in reverse. Now it’s time to put the tanks in gear and, as Old Blood and Guts used to say: “Advance constantly” and “Shoot them in the belly.”
"We don't care who finishes second." -- Celtic's Peter Lowrie
Trends
So what we basically see is a rough start, a good recovery, a slide that stays a bad streak, and then a steady improvement. Sadly, I made a chart to view these results because I was honestly a bit fascinated by this. Throughout these various trends, we were mostly better at home but not by much. And as ‘Tek said, aside from the Chivas game we weren’t so bad away from home either…I think one (or several of us) said it: we were consistently inconsistent. I wish I could publish the graph because it was a classic modulating wave of results…until the end. That’s where the trend started moving upwards.
Now of course, we didn’t need to do this little statistical exercise because I think we all knew it just by following the team over the course of the season. I just think it’s nice to see data back up what we knew.
All that being said: we pretty much control our destiny (save, of course, for crap officiating). We keep picking up more points (more 3’s than 1’s, mind you) and we’ll be in. If we tread water and mix in the occasional loss we put ourselves potentially at the mercy of others. It truly is gut check time and let’s go get some freakin’ points from some Canadians
Don't forget we were undefeated in April
During which Weaver/Bruin were playing well enough to not rush Ching back and Davis earned a player of the month award.
Huh
In the midst of this, I didn’t realize that…we were in fact undefeated in April (2 draws, 3 wins). Then its like we hit a wall and things just weren’t working or not going our way. In all of this, did we see if it was just a mixture of players out of position, injuries, competition that lead to the overall results?
Very good point
I was looking into Ching’s impact and found i had forgotten about the April Ching-less surge.
April was the cruelest month…
for others!
Spoilsport
Oh sure, go ahead and ruin the curve with facts, why don’t you?
"We don't care who finishes second." -- Celtic's Peter Lowrie
Hmmm
So, thanks to Spoilsport Griggs, we have to relook at this curve here. April was indeed an undefeated time (except for the US Open Cup crash out, which is probably a blessing in disguise), as Dynamo went into May with a 3-0-2 mark.
Ahhh, what heady times those were. The Podcast Orange was on, Straight Red Card was showcasing Dynamo. The days were bright, the weather mild, the women pretty.
And then May.
From May 4-June 18, Dynamo went on a 1-4-4 run, seven points out of a possible 27. And in many ways, the team has been struggling to overcome the effects of that run of turdosity ever since. It was the era of Koke.
In the entire rest of the season, Dynamo have gone 7-3-7, or 28 points out of a potential 51. It is in this second group that we find the obvious problem of the lack of road wins, as in this group, Dynamo have gone 0-1-6 on the road and 7-2-1 at home. Eliminate April, and those numbers turn into 0-1-4 on the road and 4-2-1 at home.
Let’s just say that April and the Era of Koke cancel each other out, and that leaves us those last two sets of numbers. This further underlines the absolute need to win on the road, not just draw, if Dynamo want to either (a) make the playoffs and/or (b) go into the playoffs with any sort of momentum.
So Griggs, in all seriousness, thanks for pointing out the April thing, because this is a much more complete picture.
"We don't care who finishes second." -- Celtic's Peter Lowrie
Interesting
Also, if you look we had our first two MLS games which we lost one and drew the other. After that we had the April run and if you look, we faced basically mid-table teams (not unlike ourselves) between here and away. One could almost infer that perhaps we were finding our feet (and maybe everyone else was too, we just happened to get there quicker) and got some of the best results we could’ve, given the circumstances.
But like you said, it looks as if a confluence of things came together: we start our crap run right after that and the quality of opposition starts going up as well: COL, RSL, LAG, FCD and SJE. As you astutely note, this was the era of Koke and trying to incorporate him as we were desperate for scoring and creativity but alas, he was simply a mirage that left us bitter and with a mouthful of sand.
I’ll have to look but it seems that we started seeing a bit of a “normal” rotation as we started to come into better form: I’m not sure if its a case of the tail wagging the dog but it is what it is.
We thought we knew things and then Gribbs threw a wrench in the works.
See what you started play???

It is whut it is
“We’ve got nuthin’ better to do
Than watch TV
And have a couple of brews”
Song- TV Part Tonite
Henry Rollins with Black Flag
I'm glad I could help =D
I think we’ve finally got that “fight” Ching was talking about
How did this happen
And on a sider, two games stand out as exceptions in both the Era of Koke and the current run of better form, and both of them were against las chivitas.
The lone win in the sea of turdosity, was a hard-fought, though to be truthful against the run of play, victory over the Amerigoats here at Robertson in June. And further, the lone loss was the absolute blowout on the road at the HDC in July.
So what do we learn from this? That in all of these sorts of trends, deviations occur and mean nothing as long as they are only deviations. Also, losing to Chivas is indeed deviant.
"We don't care who finishes second." -- Celtic's Peter Lowrie
Brutal upcoming schedule
After Sept 10th, we play 4 games in 14 days, 3 of which are away.
Regarding the road, out of 8 final games, 5 are at other stadiums.
Though we sit in 3rd place in the East due to torrid form, we are only 1 pt above
Philly and three above NYRB, The Union also have 2 games in hand.
It’ll be tight unless we keep this pace.
I like our momentum coming into this
We can do it. I’m calling it now =)
If
We can continue to win @ home and draw away with regularity, we’ll get in!Still, a win here or there on the road would lighten the load considerably.
by playtherapy on Aug 26, 2011 10:10 AM CDT up reply actions
And
since we’ve discussed how it seems our psyche is just as critical as our rotation, wouldn’t it improve that psyche dramatically to get a road win, particularly when we’re destined to be a road team in the playoffs (I know I know, assuming they get in)? That’s why to me this weekend’s match against Vancouver is critical: if ever we had a potential tomato can on the road, this is it. We get these 3 pts and I think we push even harder…I know a draw will do, but I dearly hope we don’t “settle” for that

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