Your Opinion about Uneducated, Unrealistic
by playtherapy on Sep 1, 2011 10:34 AM CDT
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I'm in a poll sort of mood. This should have gone out sooner, while the flames were hot, though now the numbers may reflect a more grounded response.
Here's the transcript, provided by Ginge's earlier post:
"I know a lot of fans have been doubting, but they're not fans to me. I'm sick of this. I heard a little bit of your show before I got on, and I'll tell ya I hung up at some of the comments that are made, I can't take it. These guys give it, the fans got a great team and it wasn't just two years Glenn, we were a great team for four years. We had a tough year last year, we're improving as we go and if fans think this is a bad thing, it's MLS then they got to get used to it. So if they're not with it, see you later"
"It's the ebbs and flow of Major League Soccer. Some people aren't educated. We had great success for two years, a great team for four. We lost Stuart Holden and Ricardo Clark and got nothing in return. Those guys are irreplaceable in mind and some fans just don't get it. They just want to watch a Saturday and watch Barcelona and want their MLS team play Barcelona, it's unrealistic and like I said, you just gotta try to educate them as you go and some people just don't want to be educated, they're close minded and that's the way it is."
If anyone has listened to the podcast of the Glenn Davis show where Dom let loose, please share any information about the fan calls that prompted this.
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I’m not going to start getting telemarketing calls from you guys and I’m good with the polls.
I’ll also just re-iterate what I had said previously (and the poll about captures it): there certainly is a demographic that exists to which Dom is referring…unfortunately they can be vocal and quite grating. See the post regarding the AO, et al for more scintillating details. I don’t feel the Naranjariat here in any way is a part of that demographic; while we quite rightly will voice our displeasure with some of the results and roster/formation moves, we typically provide a nuanced explanation and justification for that view. We don’t rant just to rant (though yes I know, it does get testy during the match chats…and for good reason). I’d like to think we typically follow the old yarn “failure to plan on your part…” as a guiding principal. If he puts the best line-up under the circumstances and puts them in the best position to win and they can’t or don’t, then he’s done his job and its on the players or the FO. I see his reaction as a mixture of frustration, exasperation and motivation, with frustration & exasperation being the primary reason.
Trying to create a little buzz during the lull...
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I wish
we could get regular updates about training…what is available is sporadic, though mostly helpful. Even if it were just a quick blurb, it helps give a window into the team dynamics and helps give a better idea of what to expect for the next match. And I’m not necessarily saying DT should do this because I haven’t the foggiest idea of what type of access they have – and that’s not even considering the availability of Ginge, who by all accounts is a busy man with many fingers in many pies – I think that should either be on the Dynamo or the Chron. But, I imagine the Dynamo probably wouldn’t want to give out that info regularly and considering the Chron’s coverage is a force of 1 (JdJO) and I’m not sure what he has to deal with there since the Dynamo seems to be treated by the Chron with the enthusiasm as the Houston Badminton League.
Would be nice
Though we’d either need inside info from someone there or someone would need to turn this into a money making gig so they could attend regularly. I’m sure Ortiz would love to make his money that way, but the Chronicle doesn’t have that kind of commitment.
Clearly
and that’s part of what prompted it I suppose is that there is support and coverage from different areas (DT, Chron, Glenn Davis) that provides aggregate coverage, but you’re right in that Ortiz should be the guy to do that but probably is unable to because of “assignment scope” (I hate that term).
Ginge: if you hit the lotto can you make this happen? Thanks, you’re a peach :)
News from training
Here’s one. Will Bruin and Danny Cruz are back in training and might just be ready for our next league match.
http://www.houstondynamo.com/news/2011/08/bruin-cruz-could-appear-reserve-game
Apologies since I also posted this on one of the other threads.
"We don't care who finishes second." -- Celtic's Peter Lowrie
Exactly
I saw this earlier and its exactly what I’m moaning on about. I honestly didn’t know they were this far along in recovery to be available for reserve matches and possibly sub minutes in upcoming MLS matches. But like I said, this information comes whenever it comes, so its like an unexpected gift. Like for instance, when we had all the trialists coming and going there was little to no information about it…and I understand they shouldn’t divulge some of that but at the same time, it’d be nice to know how Camargo and Costly are in training. I don’t know, I realize I sound like I’m just whining in general (likely) but it would be something nice to have
Interesting to see these poll results, which are all over the map. A slight plurality to option 2, and almost no one on option three, but an even distribution on the rest.
This does not surprise me as losing has brought out some of Dom’s dark side over the last year and a half. At least he’s not publicly criticizing his players like he did at one point last year. Losing Holden and Clark was not a self-inflicted wound, but not being prepared for it in advance was. The team has made mistakes, more in the last two years than in the first four combined, when just about every move turned golden.
With the team’s performance on Draft Day this past winter, it seemed like the golden touch was back, and indeed if Sarkodie turns out as well as Bruin, then it will indeed be that way. The Moffat deal also counts in this camp.
Bu on the other, Landin, re-signing Oduro this past spring (evened perhaps by dumping him equally as fast), Ade Akinbiyi, JeVaugn Watson, Koke, and more probably that I have blacked out.
The thing is, Dom’s inferences about the nature of MLS ring true, but then again, doesn’t this sound like a bit of a whine? We all know it’s tough, but it’s the job he has, and he has been extraordinarily successful at it overall. The team is better this year than last, but has serious, obvious difficulties, many of them self-inflicted. And if he’s so concerned about fan criticism, then you have to wonder just how much he’s looking at his own and his team’s situation honestly and critically. And that right there is where my concern about his unsolicited rant lies.
"We don't care who finishes second." -- Celtic's Peter Lowrie
And that's where
I hope that part of this was a cynical motivational ploy. Surely as a professional coach for quite some time now he can’t expect it to be all rainbows and lollipops. And as you (and I believe play) have pointed out, its not like we’re Job here and at the mercy of higher powers: quite a lot of this is self-inflicted. If you’re lashing out, that’s fair, but give it that context of acknowledging that things haven’t always worked out as planned and that people are entitled to get upset but at the same time, be reasonable about it.
Wow
Given the diverse opinions, it’s too bad there’s not more debate or expression here as Martek is correct, except for options 2 and 3, there seems to be pretty even distribution.
I bet the players would have voted 1,2, or 3, with a majority opting for the naysayers to ride the polar express to the nether regions.
My take
At first, I took it personally. As in screw you, dude, this is a business and I am a consumer. Though you may say you have the right to refuse service, WE contribute to your salary.
For Dom to make excuses about not replacing Clark or Holden, then blame fans over a year later for complaints- it’s a bit insulting.
In other words, who had more power to change a crumbling roster- you, me, or Kinnear and Cannetti? He’s right aout some of the criticism, but to ignore the problem for a year, that was just damn negligent. As I’ve said ad infinatum, you could see the cracks during the 2009 Western Conference Final. THEN we lost Clark and Holden, but did nothing.
Just like him, we’re a bit grumpy. We don’t expect instant results, but if the transfer kitty is bare boned, we need to know it and the reasons why. All this sense that the Dynamo FO is the State Dept- do we need Wikileaks to find out what’s going on? It gets stinkin’ ridiculouso!
we've talked about this
it almost seems sometimes that the appearance of a plan replaces the need for a plan.
I realize that statement is a bit despairing but as you & others have noted, this wasn’t some Act of God or force majeure: there were grumblings that Clark and Holden would test the waters after the season and this was with a squad that was in need of an injection of fresh blood. But knowing this, we did nothing…and once this was laid bare, we scrambled for quick fixes and that if we patched things up then all would be well. Now, if that was “the plan” then it was woefully optimistic and if this caught us unaware, then we were woefully unprepared. I don’t know any other way of looking at it.
Perhaps this confluence of events was honestly something new for Dom & Co: if so, it should’ve taught them the value of a having a Plan A-Plan ZZ. It’s why in some of our discussions regarding who to sign I always throw in that we should sign relatively young, cheap backups because you need to have understudies who can be ready to go and provide a reasonable facsimile of production. If you don’t, you’re forced to move people into unfamiliar positions and roles and guess what: you’ll get uneven, inconsistent and often disastrous results.
Dom certainly is entitled to vent his frustration and so are we. It all comes from our love for the team and wanting to see the Orange succeed. Like you say, though, the difference is he has a much bigger say in that than we do
Agreed
But again, the Wikileaks reference, why are we kept so much in the dark? Is it just that the Dynamo are that undereported (opposed to totherr professional American sports teams)?
well like I said
is it more important to have the appearance of a plan when either one does not exist or it is insufficient? A plan suggests actions that are linked or, put another way, follow a pattern. Since we don’t and likely won’t know what that plan is, we effectively have to reverse-engineer it and try to find a pattern, and even then its based on scant evidence, inference and conjecture. We’re so CSI here :)
As for being underreported I’ve often felt that way…Houston in general seems to be a very good place that is understated….and our professional teams seem mirror that (art imitating life, perhaps?). Now, I’m tempted to say that it belongs to the local paper of record to herald the going’s on of the team…but due to various factors that’s not going to happen any time soon.
Not the first time
Dom is showing his age or is trying to protect his players. Since he has gotten rid of a few players i do not think , he is trying to protect anybody.
Ok some people go too far. but u need to get over it.
I had a parent call me a racial slur after a match, wanted me to hit him , found out later he also invited the neighborhood press to be there to see it. Took me along time to get over that but there will be always people who try to get under your skin move on and keep working hard.
Go Dynamo
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