Is the City of Houston a Hard Sell for the Dynamo?
It's beginning to feel like the Dynamo are fighting against the city they call home in order to attract players to sign with the club. Houston is of course a great city, we all know that, but there are clearly issues making it hard for the team to get players to sign on the dotted line and play here.
Kris Boyd is the most recent example of this issue. The Scottish striker was in town a couple weeks ago and was apparently offered designated player money, according to a source, to sign with the Dynamo...and it wasn't enough. No doubt the team showed him the new training facilities and took him on a tour of the new stadium site...but it wasn't enough.
Surely they showed him all the amazing food trucks right?!
So what is the problem? Do players not feel like this is a city they want to move their family to? Do they see the average temperature from May to September when the bulk of the season is played and run away sweating?
Whatever the reasons, the Dynamo are fighting against an apparent perception about the city of Houston, or at least that's the presumption I have to make.
Apparently Giovani Dos Santos rejected an offer from MLS as well in the past day or two, at least that's what his lawyer said. Reasonable deduction tells us the Dynamo were probably involved with that since they've made a run at the Mexican midfielder before. While I doubt the city has anything to do with Dos Santos' decision, it's still another likely failed attempt.
So I ask you readers and Dynamo fans, do you think this is just the bad luck of trying to convince a player to sign with MLS, or are the Dynamo having to battle against their home city? Let me know if I'm crazy or if you think I'm on the right path with this line of thinking.
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All of them haters
Bring it on. The 19 af-
flictions keep us strong.
THE HEAT
THE HUMIDITY
THE HURRICANES
THE FLYING COCKROACHES
THE MOSQUITOS
THE TRAFFIC
THE CONSTRUCTION
THE SPRAWL
THE REFINERIES
THE RIDICULE
THE POLLEN
THE AIR
THE BILLBOARDS
THE FLOODING
THE IMAGE
THE SHORT SPRINGS
THE LONG SUMMERS
THE POTHOLES
THE NO MOUNTAINS
"We don't care who finishes second." -- Celtic's Peter Lowrie
That is awesome
More reasons to love the city!
I think it's as much a league problem as a city problem
I’m sure the playing in Houston heat and humidity in the summer scares some guys, and we have seen new players struggle with that. Still, I think guys like Dos Santos and Boyd probably feel like MLS is below them…or at least not helpful enough in getting them where they want to be.
Houston is a sprawling metropolis that I can definitely see intimidating someone, but I don’t think it would be that hard to sell people on the city….as long as they were already sold on the league.
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Dos Santos shouldn't be too picky, he can't even get first team time with Spurs
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by Timm Higgins on Jan 30, 2012 1:37 PM CST up reply actions
So? he probably still views MLS as a step down
I don’t want to make it specifically about one or two players though. I’m speaking more generally. I don’t think any of us want some35+ broken down former star, but trying to get a “star” on the right side of 30 is always going to be a hard sale
"If my hips had pockets, I wouldn't wear pants at all." @NotBurtReynolds
Suspicions
1) Professional – for those outside the league, we’re probably considered middle-tier, or in other words: not LA or NY. As you said, if they’re looking for a big check or more recognition, they think it won’t happen here and to be fair, we’ll give you a solid chance at an MLS cup run but don’t plan your retirement based on our wage offerings (thanks AEG!!)
2) Personal – I have to say my knowledge of other countries is fair, but if you’re asking me to evaluate because I’d have to move for work I’d have a tough time rating a 4th largest city in any given country. That being said, we offer much more than smaller cities, population-wise, but I suspect the reason cities like Seattle, Portland and Columbus are snagging players is Point #1
(I’m not bagging on other cities, I’m just saying money makes everything smoother)
Compare the other Professional Teams Here
The Texans, Rockets, and Astros don’t appear to have any issues attracting talent due to Houston. I believe it’s the perception of the MLS and compensation that drive this issue. Also, Robertson was/is a dump of a stadium and our new venue isn’t final product. When we get that place rocking during games and the player amenities are finished, I think we’ll stand a much better chance of attracting talent all things considered.
Actually the Rockets have had hell getting stars to come here
They have been turned down numerous times despite throwing huge money at some guys the last few years.
"If my hips had pockets, I wouldn't wear pants at all." @NotBurtReynolds
True
slightly different set of circumstances but yes you’re right.
We’re one great player away from being a dangerous opponent. As it is, we’re a tough opponent who will try to out-hustle the competition
(I’ll let you guess which one I’m talking about :))
By the way
Via Peter Wilt’s Twitter feed:
“Kris Boyd has officially signed for Portland Timbers.”
I wonder if they took him to a TrailBlazers game.
Typical Rangers bastid
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THANKS AEG!!!
If it doesn’t make dollars then it don’t make sense.
But please, continue to carry on AND MAKE LA THE GREATEST TEAM IN US FOOTBALL HISTORY
Not to mention...
John Spencer is probably a big reason as well, they’re both scottish and I’m sure Boyd wanted to have him as a coach
Here's the link
http://www.portlandtimbers.com/news/2012/01/timbers-sign-designated-player-kris-boyd
Apparently, he wanted more rain and more do-nothings hanging around coffee shops.
"We don't care who finishes second." -- Celtic's Peter Lowrie
Back stab by Spencer
Wonder how Kinnear feels about that knife in the back from his former assistant coach. Stealing his player.
I don't see why Dom would be mad
The guy had already turned us down. Unless I hear something else I see no reason to think Spence did anything wrong.
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You're Crazy
I understand the thought but I just don’t buy it. Of course it’s apparent that Boyd didn’t care for Houston as much as Portland but Landin had no problem with Houston (of course in hindsight I wish he had but that’s beside the point).
I have no idea what type of person Kris Boyd is and what kind of things he likes but plenty of people prefer Portland to Houston, not just soccer players…and plenty of people prefer Houston to Portland. It’s not like Portland is a tough sell. Great city, climate that he’s used to, and a fantastic atmosphere that probably resonates with him. But I’m 100% certain that there are players out there who want to play here and will want to in the future. The new stadium will be a huge selling point especially if we as fans hold up our end and fill it with passion and voice. Right now, we just have the promise of a full, loud, SSS…Portland can point to a final product.
At the end of the day though, the most important ingredient is success. For the international players that matter, the international players that you want, success is the most important thing. Do that and we’ll be fine.
Houston
I blame it on AEG. The Rockets are struggling to attract talent but the Texans and Astros never really did. The NBA is in weird place right now with players trying to form super teams so I don’t think that’s a fair comparison.
I think 10 months of 65+ weather is actually a pretty strong selling point, even if the summer is brutal. Obviously, this probably doesn’t apply to Scots used to freezing cold weather 80% of the year or most Europeans for that matter, but then we really shouldn’t be courting them and their inflated salaries in the first place. I’m all for a south of the border only mindset. If teams like KC and Columbus can attract quality south american talent we should be crushing it.
Kris Boyd
JdJO is also reporting that Dynamo had discovery rights to Boyd and should get compensation back from Portland. He’s saying 1st round pick. Thoughts?
Dynamo get Portland's 2nd First Round Pick in 2013
They got it in a trade with NY originally.
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Yep, we need to root for NY to really suck so it’s a good pick.
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by Zach Woosley on Jan 30, 2012 3:16 PM CST up reply actions
I think that’s a pretty safe prediction.
"We don't care who finishes second." -- Celtic's Peter Lowrie
So who's going to do the NY Suck updates throughout the season this year?
I vote for Marty ;)
-- "...I was sick, napping, and then woke up and came to the computer to read a note from the Gingered Angel of Doom..." Martek - Dynamo Theory Blog
Second that
this is the same beautiful & demented mind that brought us the Koke Game (DRINK), I’m sure he’ll come up with something for the NY their-pain-our-gain situation :)
Well
Just read about the Kris Boyd thing. Why can’t Houston have a nice shiny brand new DP? Sad panda is sad. :’(
The city doesn't get enough cred
But that’s true for most of middle America. We live in between that big apple place on the east coast and the place where they make movies on the west coast. Most sports want to see the epic LA vs NY showdown because they can make a lot of money on it. Too bad the Knicks suck and LA doesn’t have a football team.
But seriously now, I’ve lived here my whole life and took a lot of things for granted. I went to college in Washington State and even though I loved it, I began to miss little things. I think that was when I really began to care about the city and its uniqueness that I think can only be matched by a place like New York (okay maybe New Orleans too).
My best friends were from around the country – Connecticut, New York, LA, San Fransisco, Kansas. So I had to become vocal about this place and the state that everyone writes off as cowboys, desert, conservative, and dumb. Not that there is anything wrong with those things…well maybe some of them, but that wasn’t the complete picture. And I think nobody really gets the complete picture when they think of Houston.
It really does come down to business reasons vs personal as Michael_D pointed out – joining the Dynamo would be a fantastic business opportunity…well it would be if we had deeper pockets. I just read that the Rockets were one of the wealthiest NBA franchises so there is potential in this city. Personal reasons? Well fact is Houston just doesn’t resonate into the subconcious enough to make people say “I want to visit Houston”. Part of that is the city has built itself on business rather than tourism. It has the capacity to move forward, but it isn’t easy to shake that desert, cowboy image that people think of when they think Texas.
Just my 2 cents.
My sentiments
Hey Kris Boyd. Hope you enjoy your new digs in Portland. Looking forward to crushing you into the ground when you visit here on May 15.
"We don't care who finishes second." -- Celtic's Peter Lowrie
it's the fans as well as the city
Dom himself said on TV on the fox panel that being in middle America makes it harder because you are not LA or NY. That is the main factor.
But also consider that Seattle and Portland have two of the most rabid fan bases. That attracts a player as well. I’m proud of Houston fans, but we’re somewhere in the bottom of the top third, to use a muddled statistic. Hopefully the stadium will change the atmosphere. They are making the dam* thing too small IMHO.
Portland is stunningly beautiful, and is Houston’s opposite in every way, especially on the nature front. But there isn’t JACK to do. It might have been a lifestyle choice. At his stage of life, do you want salmon fishing or nightclubs.?
Portland
…where young people go to retire
"We don't care who finishes second." -- Celtic's Peter Lowrie
Tree Bark Munchers
Was up there a year ago. Though beautiful, seemed depressing because you don’t get as much sun. And the women all wear plaid shirts and don’t shave their legs. And if you love being regulated down to the minutest detail within an inch of your sorry, life … it’s the place to be.
ALL the women wear plaid shirts and don’t shave their legs? That’s like me saying “EVERYONE in Houston is overweight.”
Nightclubs? No thanks. I guess I just prefer a city with the most breweries in the world and the best restaurants in the country.
St Arnolds begs to differ on your opinion
After all, quantity does not equal quality. Just ask NYRB ;)
-- "...I was sick, napping, and then woke up and came to the computer to read a note from the Gingered Angel of Doom..." Martek - Dynamo Theory Blog
At least if it’s on the smaller side, it will always be a generally crowded stadium. You don’t want a big place with hardly any seats filled up. I personally think 22,000 is a perfect size. Our average attendance last year was around 17,500 so with the growth of season ticket holders and a more prominent position in Downtown, I think we will fit 22,000 seats very snugly.
Comparison with other sports teams is lame
Flat-out moronic to say the Rockets and Astros haven’t been hurt by being in the city of Houston. Again, not so much because it’s Houston as because it’s not coastal media. Rockets get guys like Artest who play here to fill space till they can move to LA. Astros big time players have been home boys who played here out of sympathy (Clemens), or people who play here until they can move to NYC (Beltran), or lazy players who have ranches in Texas (Carlos). Rockets championship was dropped in their lap when the mighty Olajuwon stuck his nose out of the cab and decided he hated the cold weather in the northeast, and went to UH and stayed in the city.
There are plenty of exceptions mind you
Look at the Rangers – they’ve put together a mighty team. Not to mention the Rockets have had their share of super-stars or at least all-stars (Yao, T-Mac, Steve Francis) over the last few years. Astros are just poorly managed. Plain and simple.
People do like Texas and they do like Houston, but it’s not everyone’s cup of tea – the same is true everywhere. Just teams usually based in New York/Boston area, and LA get more because they’re typically wealthier teams and can offer more lucrative contracts.
the "exceptions" like the Rangers, tend to be in cities other than Houston lol
Brands can be built in middle America and in small markets. Packers, Colts last few years, Dallas Cowboys >. Having a successful history of being a good franchise helps. Having good fans with an identity helps. Why does a guy choose to play in Green Bay.?
TRADITION!!!
Dynamo has a nice identity with the Forever Orange thing, though I don’t like the team logo, which was mangled badly from the beginning. Dynamo’s problem might well be that they succeeded here too early, before soccer caught on.
I think that they've done a good job
Capturing players like Camargo from Brazil, or even Koke from his club in Greece (it was a chance sure). Houston itself though, as I mentioned, has done a fair job. Think about the Texans and Rockets. Rockets in the last twenty years have had Hakeem, Drexler, Barkley, Robort Horry, Sam Cassell,Yao, T-Mac, and Stevie Francis. I’d say that’s pretty good. It really depends. Rockets have pretty deep pockets (I think good for 7th in the NBA), and at times have had pieces that people want to play with. The problem is people don’t want to come to Houston to play for the Dynamo because they’re relatively unfamiliar with our players – at least that’s one reason why players from Europe might be reluctant and why they opt to play on teams with Beckham and Henry…that and those teams have deeper pockets.
Yup
Again, given our current constraints (and that needs to become our standard disclaimer) we’ve done an admirable job in getting the talent we have. Koke (DRINK) was a gamble but a calculated one, and one that didn’t have any long-term cap impact. Costly was another in the same vein, and even though he didn’t produce as we hoped he played well and again, both parties walked away without any long-term commitments. We’re bringing in B-level talent (South America would probably be considered A-level) at a relatively modest salary that still amounts to a bump in quality, which helps. Again, when we lose some of those constraints and are able to compete salary-wise with bigger clubs we’ll see a higher level of talent come in. I’m hoping this coincides with the maturity of some of our Academy players so that we have a young, talented nucleus that will be championship contenders for the next 3-4 years.
The fact that we have been a power house every year...
except the one time we didn’t make the playoffs is remarkable. And that year people were calling for a new coach and a DP or two. Well Dom turned it around in one year and went to the MLS cup final. The fact that we have done well after losing players like DeRo, Rico Clark, and Stuart Holden is amazing. Not everything works or works at first, but the results speak for themselves. The Dynamo have been a top team since coming to Houston every year except one. Talk to Toronto about how it feels to make the playoffs..oh wait you can’t!
The Dynamo have found quality players everywhere. Through the draft, through the academy (seriously, Deric could be a starter somewhere), through trades, and internationally. We give our FO flak after a 2 game losing streak because we are used to winning. Why people choose to go somewhere else is beyond me =D
And remember
Dom has now done this rebuild thing twice, once after an off year in San Jose, leading the 2005 team to the Supporters Shield, and then again last year here in Houston. I’m not seeing much good happening this offseason (some, but not much), but I have faith in what Dom can create over the course of a season.
"We don't care who finishes second." -- Celtic's Peter Lowrie
Hard to rebuild when you made it to the last game of the season
Would have had the shield if we started the season with Camargo and Moffat
you said it
DRINK!
"We don't care who finishes second." -- Celtic's Peter Lowrie
by Martek on Jan 31, 2012 8:10 AM CST via iPhone app up reply actions
Keep Going After the Central American guys
Not much reason for a proven SPL guy to come to Houston. Europeans in general, maybe. I say keep going after the central american guys, Jamaicans and africans. Central American guys seem to not be too egotistical to play here and probably feel like the city has something to offer. It’s a bit harder to scout down there and Dom is comfortable turning over stones there that others don’t want to bother trying.
I agree
If we try to lure guys over from europe they are not going to leave because they are already in the best place for soccer. When they do leave (Beckham, keane, etc.) it’s because they are reaching the end of their career/ out of their prime. They are quality players but it seems like they settle for the MLS whereas most central american players probably see it as a step up
Le Toux available?
http://www.sbnation.com/soccer/2012/1/30/2759398/sebastien-le-toux-trade-union-mls-whitecaps
I’d like to see him here
"We don't care who finishes second." -- Celtic's Peter Lowrie
He was always a menace against us
It’d be nice to see the French connection here.
Who would we give up in a trade for him though?
They’d ask for a good price
On the other hand....
Whereas the Central American guys see playing here as an opportunity, the best Mexican players don’t. Why would Dos Santos want to come here? While he’s stuck with the spurs, he is in his prime. If you were head of El Tri and you had a guy at Tottenham, would you encourage him to come to Dynamo? You probably wouldn’t LET him come to Dynamo. Probably better playing in an occasional secondary cup over there, than coming here. Let’s get a grip on reality. And if they ever do get someone at that level, it will only be for them to get out of a contract elsewhere and tread water till they can leave. That’s why I say give the Central American up-and-comers a chance. May be the best we can do.
And eventually some secondary level DP like Boyd might want to come. Might as well keep trying.
I've always said this
But nothing has come up. I don’t know why!? There’s a crap load of good talent down there. Give these guys a chance because they see MLS as the premier league
well....
Well, they really see La Liga as the premier league. lol. Central America loves la liga. But players recognize MLS as a true opportunity. I don’t the Mexican players see it that way for the most part.
Sad but true
you hit the nail on the head: La Liga is where they want to be, but MLS provides a go-between payday and the spotlight to catch the eye of teams there. So for a Central American player looking to stand out, MLS is a great way to go
I am at the point..
where I am just happy that we still have a great base returning from last year. Look on the bright side…
All this re-affirms that...
Dom should have been coach of the year. We go through this DP rejection crap on a regular basis, and Dom just sighs and goes sleuthing around in Honduras. Bruce Arena can sit around at the boutique restaurants waiting for DP’s to sign. We make our playoffs the old-fashion way. We EARN it.
Kevin Davies to Houston
MirrorFootball Tweet
Kevin Davies in talks with Houston Dynamo. Perhaps the Texans will be able to give him a lethal injection of pace
Maybe...
But he certainly is the exact type of target forward to replace Ching – hard working, lead the line, hold the ball up, great header of the ball…very much in the Dynamo “mold”, not getting regular football at Bolton…using our Kinnear/Holden/Coyle relationship…since he is 34, perhaps loan him for a 1 yr contract and see how he does…he might fancy a change and would be perfect for us (IMHO). He has already played over here in the heat of summer, so knows a little of the city, knows what to expect. If you’re the Dynamo, I say why not give it a go? Could work out very nicely. Fingers crossed :)
34?
I’m sorry, but i’ll pass without a doubt
by RedAce on Jan 31, 2012 9:08 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
He turns 35 in March. I like him, but forget it. We can do better.
"We don't care who finishes second." -- Celtic's Peter Lowrie
Oh f** no!
So are we a retirement home now? Isn’t he injury prone too? Like you said we can do better than that
by RedAce on Jan 31, 2012 9:15 AM CST via Android app up reply actions
So
I’ve had a bit of time to think about it and while I’m not overly thrilled that we don’t seem to be in the races for any clear quality signings (either from Europe or South America), its at least heartening that we have a damn good FO running things. Think about it: what if we were given an open checkbook and we sign all these silly DP contracts and they don’t pan out? We had one “lesson” already with Landis, and it seems we’ve learned our lesson since then because all other DP-level players have effectively been trialists, and that’s a sound strategy: show us you’re worth it and we’ll pay you (not really, but still – thanks AEG!).
Even though we struck out with Boyd, by having his discovery rights we still got something out of effectively nothing. Same goes with losing Ching & Cruz: we lost those players but still got something in return (cap space/allocation money). So we won’t be signing any big-name players this year but we’re showing we can make the most out of what we have. Looking at some of these trialists, we could potentially get some very quality players in Roberts and any of the Honduran players. They’re probably not obvious-game changers, but you take a young, talented and hungry player looking to prove themselves in a bigger league and you never know what happens. I realize this is mostly hope driving this but I suppose in lieu of having an “obvious” talent (and paying the respective salary for one) I’ll happily take someone playing with drive. We’ll see what happens and I hope between the trialists and the kids we drafted we start to put the pieces in place for a deep run in all competitions
Koke/Landin Avoidance Syndrome
Couldn’t agree more with the first paragraph. Don’t blow it now, FO.
Koke/Landin avoidance syndrome
Couldn’t agree more with the first paragraph. Don’t blow it now, FO.
Huh
according to a JdJO tweet:
Last thought on Kris Boyd. Hearing Dynamo negotiations broke down with him after agent asked for 750K in agent fees, 250k per season
The lesson, as ever: agents are Incubi
If Portland is paying that...
…then they are screwed as his interest in MLS will not last beyond this one year, especially if things go south.
Over/under on Spencer having a dust up with Boyd, who has a 10-cent head: I’m thinking maybe 30 minutes in their first training session.
And I’m going with the under.
"We don't care who finishes second." -- Celtic's Peter Lowrie
Now that
is easy money. God love him, I don’t think our man Spence will suffer Boyd after too long. Maybe a couple of “ok, lad”s and then he’ll yank the leash. I don’t know…I mean, he has to know the story on him and he’s willing to gamble, I just fear for his blood pressure
Let's just say it now
Like one of those ratio problems on the GRE
Koke:Houston Dynamo::Kris Boyd:Portland Timbers
DRINK (Hey, it’s happy hour somewhere)
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