Almost done: Ching is back in Orange
by Fuzion on Feb 15, 2012 8:25 PM CST
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UPDATE AT 9:28 P.M.: Jose de Jesus Ortiz has an update on the Soccer y Futbol blog at this link here. Key takeaway:
In trades, people often wonder which team got the better end of the deal.
Heck, a Montreal radio reporter just asked me that question for his show. He didn’t seem to like my answer. I said it was a win-win-win situation. He argued that fans in Montreal won’t think the Impact won.
And the main Chronicle story is here. Check it out.
Now back to the earlier post:
According to JdJO's sources, a deal between the Impact and Dynamo has been reached to send Forward Brian Ching back to the Houston Dynamo. And exactly what did the Houston Dynamo give up to get him back? Was it Andre Hainault and a forward to be named later? Perhaps they gave up the newly acquired Kandji? Nope. The Montreal Impact end up with a 2013 MLS SuperDraft Pick from the Houston Dynamo.
Well, then. Looks like the Front Office is damn good at what they do, and we should all just sit and admire their perseverance to get the deal done on THEIR terms, not the Impact's. So much for Andre Hainault, or any other player for that matter. Really, when you break down what the Impact are getting, even if Allocation Funds and an International Roster spot were to be included...
The L'Impact failed. Epically. And Jesse Marsch continues to remain looking like a d-bag. Way to go Jesse. Way to make a real statement move....And the Dynamo fans rejoice.
Kudos to Dominic Kinnear, Chris Canetti and Brian Ching who worked hard to get this done. It hasn't been easy by any stretch. — Jose de Jesus Ortiz (@OrtizKicks) February 16, 2012
For full story on Ching trade go to chron.com. The Impact will get a draft pick in 2013.
— Jose de Jesus Ortiz (@OrtizKicks) February 16, 2012
Sources tell Chronicle a deal to send Brian Ching back to Dynamo is reached, pending league approval. More to come on chron.com
— Jose de Jesus Ortiz (@OrtizKicks) February 16, 2012
And finally, here's the best one yet:
@brianching Here's a better photo for your page than that blue jersey twitter.com/DomsDisciples/…
— Nigel Brooks (@DomsDisciples) February 16, 2012
The good news just keeps on flowing:
Also, barring something crazy and unforeseen, I expect Ching's likely going to be at practice tomorrow with the Dynamo.
— Jose de Jesus Ortiz (@OrtizKicks) February 16, 2012
MLS will rubber stamp it.Ching could be at practice tomorrow #dynamo #hounews
— Randy McIlvoy (@RandyMcIlvoy) February 16, 2012
#dynamo President Chris Canetti " We are working into the night to wrap it up "
— Randy McIlvoy (@RandyMcIlvoy) February 16, 2012
Hey Jesse Marsch, "Ching Chingery, Ching Ching, Cheru, we get Brian Ching and he says **** you!"
— James H (@nobius) February 16, 2012
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Jose de Jesus Ortiz
Jose de Jesus Ortiz @OrtizKicks
Sources tell Chronicle a deal to send Brian Ching back to Dynamo is reached, pending league approval. More to come on chron.com
Side note: I checked chron.com, no article outlining the deal as of yet. Should be up tomorrow I presume. Enjoy the news, though.
-- "...I was sick, napping, and then woke up and came to the computer to read a note from the Gingered Angel of Doom..." Martek - Dynamo Theory Blog
Fox has it up too!
Mark Berman @MarkBermanFox26
MLS sources told FOX 26 Sports Major League Soccer is expected to approve the deal tomorrow that will send Brian Ching back to the Dynamo
I am still looking for word on the salary
Not to dump any water on the fire here, but I do not believe that Dynamo should pay any more than $200K for Ching. Any more than that and the team is overpaying for what, in all truth, is an old, slow, oft-injured, hold-up forward.
I mean, I love Captain Kamehameha. I love him. But you know, the needs of the team/organization come before emotions, right? So I’m crossing my fingers that the financials leave us with more flexibility.
"We don't care who finishes second." -- Celtic's Peter Lowrie
I think
I read somewhere that they were talking in the neighborhood of $250 K for him? That’s an almost %50 percent discount from what he was supposed to get. Very nice : )
by HernanEscobar on Feb 15, 2012 9:06 PM CST up reply actions
That
would be a massive disappointment if we did, considering all the machinations we went through at the end of last season. To effectively get Ching back for a conditional draft pick is salary cap wizardry…and then to overpay his salary would nullify all of that. I somehow suspect that isn’t the case, but getting hard facts will confirm that
Check out the update I just inserted at the top of the original post
JJdO says it’s a win-win-win for all involved. To me, that means a deal that makes sense in a way that $450K does not. So, really, more proof there that Canetti and Kinnear are among the tops at this game. Can you imagine what they could do with a real salary budget like some others have? <cough, cough>Galaxy<cough, cough>
"We don't care who finishes second." -- Celtic's Peter Lowrie
From Ortiz
Ching wins because he’s where he wants to play. He didn’t want to play in Montreal a day before the Impact drafted him, didn’t want to be in Montreal when he was drafted and he didn’t want to be with the Impact last week or this week. Some would argue that he had to take a pay cut and thus lost out on salary, but Ching confided to me months ago that he would have tried to rework his deal anyway this year to help the team find payroll flexibility. The man wants to win, and he knows the team needs flexibility to sign more talent.
I don;t think I can adore our captain more than I do right now!
"We don't care who finishes second." -- Celtic's Peter Lowrie
More greatness from JJdO's post
The guy hits it right on the money. Right on the money. Maybe the best thing he’s ever written.
The Dynamo won because they get their all-time leading scorer and face of the franchise back in Houston. Oh, and they get him at a reduced salary. If the Impact hadn’t picked Ching, they would have found it more difficult for the union to let Ching cut his guaranteed $450,000 salary for 2012. The figures will come out soon, but think of this trade of a conditional pick as somewhat of a trade for allocation money. If Ching settled for say $300,000 or $250,000, in essence the Dynamo traded a conditional pick for about $150,000 or $200,000 in allocation money.
Montreal wins because they picked a player they knew they wanted to flip. They thought the Dynamo would be desperate enough to ship Andre Hainault for Ching, but Kinnear played solid poker and didn’t rush to make a deal. Heck, the Dynamo waited more than a month before making contact with the Impact. Still, Montreal can sell this trade to their fans as a chance to get a draft pick. Come to think about it, maybe Montreal didn’t win anything at all. They had an expansion draft pick and a chance to get one of many proven veterans available, but they chose Ching because they thought Kinnear would cave. Now, they’ll get a conditional pick. And if the Dynamo live up to their history under Dominic Kinnear, the pick won’t be very high next year. Even then, they’ll have to wait to see if the draft pick can play in MLS. If they had used the expansion pick for Ching on another proven MLS veteran, they wouldn’t have to wonder.
More importantly, the biggest winners here are the Brian Ching fans who deserve to see No. 25 walking through the tunnel at BBVA Compasss Stadium for the inaugural game on May 12.
"We don't care who finishes second." -- Celtic's Peter Lowrie
Why are people saying the Impact had better options?
Could someone point out the players available in the expansion draft that were more valuable than a first round pick? Remember, you can’t count teammates of players they selected elsewhere in the draft. To my eyes, Danny Cruz and Bobby Warshaw were the best alternatives.
I don’t think Marsch lost. He established that he wasn’t to be screwed with, and even though this turned out about as badly as possible for the Impact, he still got acceptable value. It was a worthwhile risk.
That said, Houston won here, as long as they reduced Ching’s salary significantly in the process.
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Well
let’s be frank: we’re not bringing back Ching for his production at FW. I think we’re in good shape with Bruin, Kandji, Carr, Weaver, Rolfe & potentially Sato. Ching is icing on the cake, and really his value is symbolic although I don’t doubt that he can still put a few in the back of the net by season’s end. But you answered your own question: Danny Cruz was about $200K cheaper than Ching, and he’s young and quick. If the idea was to kill two birds with one stone and get someone who could produce or be used as trade bait, you would’ve been much better served picking Cruz over Ching. That’s why it was such a baffling move to everyone here: the reasons for selecting Ching were heavily outweighed by the cons.
I’ll give you that sure, Marsch showed he’ll take a risk to show some Jacobs, but considering this is their inaugural season I think he should’ve showed more prudence. There wasn’t a snowball’s chance he was getting anything remotely resembling Hainault for Ching; if he honestly thought that, then I weep for Montreal’s future. Instead, they get a conditional draft pick…and can someone clarify if they’re still on the hook for Ching’s full salary (against the cap) since he reported and played for them? If that’s the case then Marsch really screwed himself…otherwise we helped him save some face, though not alot.
any chance
We’ll get a better idea of what the parameters of the draft pick are?
by BerlinTexas on Feb 15, 2012 9:41 PM CST via iPhone app reply actions
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
So happy!
by Gribbs on Feb 15, 2012 9:58 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Via Soccer By Ives
In the final analysis, the Dynamo have made out like bandits in the trade because the deal effectively means Houston could wind up freeing up cap space the size of a major allocation (from $100K to $200K) for a conditional draft pick. It is difficult to call the trade a victory for the Impact considering the other players Montreal could have had in the expansion draft. That may be a bit of 20/20 hindsight though, as it is clear Montreal made the move with the hopes of prying more from Houston, like say Canadian defender Andre Hainault.
Pretty sure the whole soccer world knows that our Front Office completely won this little tug of war.
You know it's fact when it comes from Ives
Lolol. I’m actually being pretty serious, too. Ives is incredibly on-point with American and abroad footy.
-- "...I was sick, napping, and then woke up and came to the computer to read a note from the Gingered Angel of Doom..." Martek - Dynamo Theory Blog
I agree
He’s definitely one of the go-to guys for your football analysis and news, and he’s spot on in in this case hahaha. Houston 2 – Montreal 0. Since we beat them in pre-season AND got our Captain back for next to nothing : )
by HernanEscobar on Feb 15, 2012 11:49 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Woooooohoooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I don’t know how to put into words how excited I am.
by DD77DD on Feb 15, 2012 10:29 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Hmm
How much fun is that Impact game in Houston going to be now? Hahahaha. Everyone said I was bat-shit insane for my diagnosis of the situation, but ultimately, we gave Montreal one of the biggest FUs in MLS history. And Ching got to join in giving a huge one to Marsch. Seriously, what did that fool really think he was going to get? Kudos to the FO for a job not only well done, but done in a manner which we can ALL be proud of.
-- "...I was sick, napping, and then woke up and came to the computer to read a note from the Gingered Angel of Doom..." Martek - Dynamo Theory Blog
I'm starting to feel
like we ran a 419 scam on Marsch…not that I feel bad, but perhaps he should’ve been more careful when he got an email from Canetti that started:
Jesse, its in your best interests not to select Brian Ching in the Draft. You have better options and it won’t end well for you.
Regards,
Chris Canetti, Esq.
A letter dated Nov. 21, 2011
Most Esteemed Friend Marsch Jeese,
Salutations to you and yours in Candadia,
Due to many Tragic Circumstances, my dear and wonderful Uncle, Brian Ching, a prince in my province has been wrongfully imprisoned by the corrupt Regime and can only be freed by heroic actions in youre coming up Draft MLS Expansion…….
Jesse Marsch, Humanitarian of the Year
"We don't care who finishes second." -- Celtic's Peter Lowrie
Seriously
you outdid yourself here Marty…this is exactly how I would’ve imagined the 419 email. Well done sir :)
I had to stop where I did...
…because I was cracking myself up. Not good when you break down laughing at your own jokes. #carolburnettshow
"We don't care who finishes second." -- Celtic's Peter Lowrie
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